RE: Bush Mark II?
"Iverson, Clark" <[email protected]> Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:39:49 -0400
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First, the astonishing news: I agree with Bill's critique of the Democratic Party's anti-democratic impulses.
"And ironicly, the party who bitched that every vote needed to be counted
(unless of course, those votes were in Republican counties or military
absentee ballots), went out of their way to disenfranchise their own
Democratic primary ballots in Florida and Michigan."
>>>> The Libertarians and Greens are the ones who bitched that every vote needed to be counted. The Dems, as usual, caved in wrongly and got nothing for it.
"Two, (Obama) is the most liberal person in the U.S. Senate. He makes
McGovern look conservative."
>>>> Simply false. He is a DLC member and Lieberman protege who, once in the Senate, voted to fund our invasion every time. His bellicose rhetoric against Iran is of a piece with Clinton and McCain. Here's a list of his top campaign donors:
Goldman Sachs $571,330
University of California $437,236
UBS AG $364,806
JPMorgan Chase & Co $362,207
Citigroup Inc $358,054
National Amusements Inc $320,750
Lehman Brothers $318,647
Google Inc $309,514
Harvard University $309,025
Sidley Austin LLP $294,245
Skadden, Arps et al $270,013
Time Warner $262,677
Morgan Stanley $259,876
Jones Day $250,725
Exelon Corp $236,211
University of Chicago $218,857
Wilmerhale LLP $218,680
Latham & Watkins $218,615
Microsoft Corp $209,242
Stanford University $195,262
So don't panic; he is just a much a corporate puppet as the rest of them.
"Three, he is in debt to the left-wing lunatic fringe of the Democratic party"
>>>> Simply false. The only Dem that that describes is Kucinich, and Obama cooperated in excluding him from their debates. Also see above.
While half a step less dull than rhyming Obama with Osama as some kind of political tactic, the claim that Obama's a lefty is a wackily inferior bit of disinformation.
cheers,
Clark Iverson
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<p>First, the astonishing news: I agree with Bill's critique of the Democratic Party's anti-democratic impulses.<br>
<br>
"And ironicly, the party who bitched that every vote needed to be counted <br>
(unless of course, those votes were in Republican counties or military <br>
absentee ballots), went out of their way to disenfranchise their own <br>
Democratic primary ballots in Florida and Michigan."<br>
<br>
>>>> The Libertarians and Greens are the ones who bitched that every vote needed to be counted. The Dems, as usual, caved in wrongly and got nothing for it.<br>
<br>
"Two, (Obama) is the most liberal person in the U.S. Senate. He makes <br>
McGovern look conservative.<wbr>"<br>
<br>
>>>> Simply false. He is a DLC member and Lieberman protege who, once in the Senate, voted to fund our invasion every time. His bellicose rhetoric against Iran is of a piece with Clinton and McCain. Here's a list of his top campaign donors:<br>
Goldman Sachs $571,330<br>
University of California $437,236<br>
UBS AG $364,806<br>
JPMorgan Chase & Co $362,207<br>
Citigroup Inc $358,054<br>
National Amusements Inc $320,750<br>
Lehman Brothers $318,647<br>
Google Inc $309,514<br>
Harvard University $309,025<br>
Sidley Austin LLP $294,245<br>
Skadden, Arps et al $270,013<br>
Time Warner $262,677<br>
Morgan Stanley $259,876<br>
Jones Day $250,725<br>
Exelon Corp $236,211<br>
University of Chicago $218,857<br>
Wilmerhale LLP $218,680<br>
Latham & Watkins $218,615<br>
Microsoft Corp $209,242<br>
Stanford University $195,262<br>
<br>
So don't panic; he is just a much a corporate puppet as the rest of them.<br>
<br>
"Three, he is in debt to the left-wing lunatic fringe of the Democratic party"<br>
<br>
>>>> Simply false. The only Dem that that describes is Kucinich, and Obama cooperated in excluding him from their debates. Also see above.<br>
<br>
While half a step less dull than rhyming Obama with Osama as some kind of political tactic, the claim that Obama's a lefty is a wackily inferior bit of disinformation.<br>
<br>
cheers,<br>
Clark Iverson<br>
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