Re: Requesting Other GM's Opinions
"Former Trout" <[email protected]> Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:14:30 -0600
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--IW7sNFu5zi8CKwrD0BMEZFyzrN2PTqyIKAbbVkN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks everyone. I wish I could say that the situation has resolved itself amicably, but the player in question does not seem to be reasonable about this. Ah well. The advice has been greatly appreciated. Regards, Trout On 7/13/07, Adam Kuehn <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The follow-up question being whether the player is correct in > > stating that player intent should trump the written orders. I > > know that isn't the way my house rules are currently written > > - but I wouldn't mind hearing what the general consensus out there is. > > > > Should a GM hold player intent at a higher consideration than > > actual order submittal? > > How can you do that? How do you know his intent except by examining his > orders? What your house rule is doing is giving players advance notice of > the intent you will impute to them based on a given order. Your particular > house rule essentially says, "If you incorrectly designate a unit, I will > assume that you knew what your were doing and I will invalidate the > order." > (Subtext: "So proofread your orders!") > > The player can unambiguously communicate his intention simply by writing a > facially correct order. You gave them advance notice of what you would do, > so I think you need to stick to your guns. Anything else is unfair to the > other players. > > It is a different issue entirely whether or not you are happy with how > your > own house rule imputes intent. It sounds to me as though you are having > second thoughts. If so, you can always announce to the players that you > are > changing the house rule and that you will assume that players always > intend > correct unit designations, so for all practical purposes you will ignore > unit type in order sets. But that change, if you decide to make it, should > only take effect AFTER the current adjudication. > > Meanwhile, you already did your best to ferret out his intent, and if you > reached a different conclusion than he did, that's his risk. I bet he'll > proofread next time! > > -Adam Kuehn > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --IW7sNFu5zi8CKwrD0BMEZFyzrN2PTqyIKAbbVkN Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> </head> <!-- Network content --> <body style="background-color: #ffffff;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> <div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="width:655px; position:relative;"> <div id="ygrp-msg" style="width: 490px; padding: 0 15px 0 0; float:left; z-index:1;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> <div id="ygrp-text"> <p>Thanks everyone.<br> <br> I wish I could say that the situation has resolved itself amicably, but the<br> player in question does not seem to be reasonable about this. Ah well. The<br> advice has been greatly appreciated.<br> <br> Regards,<br> <br> Trout<br> <br> On 7/13/07, Adam Kuehn <<a href="mailto:akuehn%40nc.rr.com">[email protected].<wbr>com</a>> wrote:<br> ><br> > > The follow-up question being whether the player is correct in<br> > > stating that player intent should trump the written orders. I<br> > > know that isn't the way my house rules are currently written<br> > > - but I wouldn't mind hearing what the general consensus out there is.<br> > ><br> > > Should a GM hold player intent at a higher consideration than<br> > > actual order submittal?<br> ><br> > How can you do that? How do you know his intent except by examining his<br> > orders? What your house rule is doing is giving players advance notice of<br> > the intent you will impute to them based on a given order. Your particular<br> > house rule essentially says, "If you incorrectly designate a unit, I will<br> > assume that you knew what your were doing and I will invalidate the<br> > order."<br> > (Subtext: "So proofread your orders!")<br> ><br> > The player can unambiguously communicate his intention simply by writing a<br> > facially correct order. You gave them advance notice of what you would do,<br> > so I think you need to stick to your guns. Anything else is unfair to the<br> > other players.<br> ><br> > It is a different issue entirely whether or not you are happy with how<br> > your<br> > own house rule imputes intent. It sounds to me as though you are having<br> > second thoughts. If so, you can always announce to the players that you<br> > are<br> > changing the house rule and that you will assume that players always<br> > intend<br> > correct unit designations, so for all practical purposes you will ignore<br> > unit type in order sets. But that change, if you decide to make it, should<br> > only take effect AFTER the current adjudication.<br> ><br> > Meanwhile, you already did your best to ferret out his intent, and if you<br> > reached a different conclusion than he did, that's his risk. I bet he'll<br> > proofread next time!<br> ><br> > -Adam Kuehn<br> ><br> > <br> ><br> <br> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]<br> <br> </p> </div> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~--> <span width="1" style="color: white;">__._,_.___</span> <!-- Start the section with Message In topic --> <div id="ygrp-actbar"> <span class="left"> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAT23-GM/message/5546;_ylc=X3oDMTMzN2xnZHZrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2OQRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEbXNnSWQDNTU1NgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzExODQzNTQwNzkEdHBjSWQDNTU0Ng--"> Messages in this topic </a> (<span class="bld">0</span>) </span> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAT23-GM/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJvbGFhcjFkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2OQRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEbXNnSWQDNTU1NgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzExODQzNTQwNzk-?act=reply&messageNum=5556"> <span class="bld"> Reply </span> (via web post) </a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAT23-GM/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJkYThmYWJyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2OQRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDbnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMTg0MzU0MDc5" class="bld"> Start a new topic </a> </div> <!------- Start Nav Bar ------> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <div id="ygrp-vitnav"> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAT23-GM/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJkMWZrcmcxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2OQRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDbXNncwRzdGltZQMxMTg0MzU0MDc5">Messages</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAT23-GM/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJlbDN2aWRqBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2OQRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDZmlsZXMEc3RpbWUDMTE4NDM1NDA3OQ--">Files</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAT23-GM/photos;_ylc=X3oDMTJkM2dtYTFoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2OQRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDcGhvdARzdGltZQMxMTg0MzU0MDc5">Photos</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAT23-GM/links;_ylc=X3oDMTJlaGdncW9uBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2OQRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDbGlua3MEc3RpbWUDMTE4NDM1NDA3OQ--">Links</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAT23-GM/database;_ylc=X3oDMTJidmpwOWsyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2OQRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDZGIEc3RpbWUDMTE4NDM1NDA3OQ--">Database</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAT23-GM/polls;_ylc=X3oDMTJlc3AxNmdsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2OQRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDcG9sbHMEc3RpbWUDMTE4NDM1NDA3OQ--">Polls</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAT23-GM/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZDNhYTRyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2OQRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDbWJycwRzdGltZQMxMTg0MzU0MDc5">Members</a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAT23-GM/calendar;_ylc=X3oDMTJjNDUxNWx2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2OQRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDY2FsBHN0aW1lAzExODQzNTQwNzk-">Calendar</a> </div> <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> <!-- Do not have place to put it yet --> <div id="ygrp-grft"> </div> <!-- yahoo logo --> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <div id="ygrp-ft"> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJjY24wdjVrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzM2MDI2OQRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNTcxNDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDZ2ZwBHN0aW1lAzExODQzNTQwNzk-"> <img src="http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/yg/img/logo/ma_grp_160.gif" height="15" width="106" border="0" alt="Yahoo! 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