Re: Next week's survey - Favorite Variants
"Doug Burgoyne" <[email protected]> Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:42:09 -0600
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--lLBs7fjsDKhCCn0RH5SsFWt-LNX2Li1S8zB8Gdi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have done both, numerous times, fog of war and civ dip. Almost all of my games I ran had fog of war. It's easy to run, you just black in things people cant see and send out private maps ----- Original Message ----- From: "Babak Talebi" <[email protected]> To: "Doug Burgoyne" <[email protected]> Cc: "Suzanne Castagne" <[email protected]>; "Martin Gilbey" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [CAT23-Ngame] Next week's survey - Favorite Variants do you mean numerous versions of CivDip or the idea of "fog of war"? I'd love to know how people reacted to it - or how it might be improved... On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Doug Burgoyne <[email protected]> wrote: > actually numerous versions of this have been played, and I have GMed many > of them. > > Doug > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzanne Castagne" <[email protected] > > > To: "Babak Talebi" <[email protected]> > Cc: "Martin Gilbey" <[email protected]>; < > [email protected]>; <[email protected]>; < > [email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 1:19 PM > Subject: Re: [CAT23-Ngame] Next week's survey - Favorite Variants > > > I looked at the description; it does look interesting. Do > > the players know how many SC's there are altogether? > > > > > > Babak Talebi a écrit : > > > > > Thank you Martin for that vote of confidence... > > > > > > Thanks to the Variant Bank - the rules for CivDip survive yet - > > > > > > http://www.variantbank.org/results/rules/c/civdip.htm > > > > > > To my knowledge only 3 games of this variant were ever played - with > > > me > > > having GMed in one, and having played in a second (where I got > > > demolished to > > > my embarrassment ;P) > > > > > > It is a pretty tough and time consuming game to GM (maybe two GMs > > > should be > > > used - I don't know) because each player has to receive individuated > > > maps > > > every season and the GM has to keep track of what each civ sees, all > > > trades, > > > etc. but absolutely worth the time and effort because the GM gets to > > > see > > > everything and watch as the various 'nations' blindly look for new SCs > > > to > > > conquer and have theirs taken by surprise attacks from the dark. > > > > > > The game is of course inspired by (arguably) the best PC game ever > > > devised - > > > Sid Meier's Civilization (I through IV). > > > > > > If ever a brave soul was to decide to GM this variant (Martin - can it > > > be > > > true?)- I want to be the first to sign up :) > > > > > > Babak > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Martin Gilbey < > > > [email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The re-appearance of Babak Talebi on the Cat23 NGame list prompts me > > > > to > > > > nominate his CivDip as my favourite Variant. I would otherwise have > > > > suggested Seismic Diplomacy, however, having penned some 'version 2 > > > > rules' for this, I feel this perhaps precludes me from doing so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Et al, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, if anyone has hitherto unseen Diplomacy Map (not too > > > > complex) > > > > that they would like to see the light of day, send me a copy of it > > > > at > > > > 'mgdip AT yahoo DOT com' and I will run either of the following > > > > games > > > > (according to popularity) on that map:- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. CivDip (- Effectively this is 1899 combined with Fog of > > > > War). > > > > b. 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Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- --------------------------------- "YOU have the power!" ~ Howard Dean M.D. --------------------------------- --lLBs7fjsDKhCCn0RH5SsFWt-LNX2Li1S8zB8Gdi Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/htm= l4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> </head> <body style=3D"background-color: #ffffff;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-mlmsg" style=3D"width:655px; position:relative;"> <div id=3D"ygrp-msg" style=3D"width: 470px; margin:0; padding:0 25px 0 0; f= loat:left; z-index:1;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-text"> <p>I have done both, numerous times, fog of war and civ dip. A= lmost all of my <br> games I ran had fog of war. It's easy to run, you just black in things <br= > people cant see and send out private maps<br> <br> ----- Original Message ----- <br> From: "Babak Talebi" <<a href=3D"mailto:babaktalebi%40gmail.co= m">babaktalebi@<wbr>gmail.com</a>><br> To: "Doug Burgoyne" <<a href=3D"mailto:dougburg%40ix.netcom.co= m">dougburg@ix.<wbr>netcom.com</a>><br> Cc: "Suzanne Castagne" <<a href=3D"mailto:sucastag%40wanadoo.f= r">sucastag@wanadoo.<wbr>fr</a>>; "Martin Gilbey" <br> <<a href=3D"mailto:Martin.Gilbey%40sitestream.biz">Martin.Gilbey@<wbr>si= testream.<wbr>biz</a>>; <<a href=3D"mailto:ACD-Chat%40yahoogroups.com= ">ACD-Chat@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com</a>>; <br> <<a href=3D"mailto:ACD-Games%40yahoogroups.com">ACD-Games@yahoogrou<wbr>= ps.com</a>>; <<a href=3D"mailto:CAT23-Ngame%40yahoogroups.com">CAT23-= Ngame@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</a>>; <br> <<a href=3D"mailto:dipknights%40yahoogroups.com">dipknights@yahoogro<wbr= >ups.com</a>><br> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 6:47 PM<br> Subject: Re: [CAT23-Ngame] Next week's survey - Favorite Variants<br> <br> do you mean numerous versions of CivDip or the idea of "fog of war&quo= t;?<br> <br> I'd love to know how people reacted to it - or how it might be improved...<= br> <br> On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Doug Burgoyne <<a href=3D"mailto:dougbu= rg%40ix.netcom.com">dougburg@ix.<wbr>netcom.com</a>><br> wrote:<br> <br> > actually numerous versions of this have been played, and I have GMed m= any<br> > of them.<br> ><br> > Doug<br> ><br> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzanne Castagne" <<a= href=3D"mailto:sucastag%40wanadoo.fr">sucastag@wanadoo.<wbr>fr</a><br> > ><br> > To: "Babak Talebi" <<a href=3D"mailto:babaktalebi%40gmail= .com">babaktalebi@<wbr>gmail.com</a>><br> > Cc: "Martin Gilbey" <<a href=3D"mailto:Martin.Gilbey%40si= testream.biz">Martin.Gilbey@<wbr>sitestream.<wbr>biz</a>>; <<br> > <a href=3D"mailto:ACD-Chat%40yahoogroups.com">ACD-Chat@yahoogroup<wbr>= s.com</a>>; <<a href=3D"mailto:ACD-Games%40yahoogroups.com">ACD-Games= @yahoogrou<wbr>ps.com</a>>; <<br> > <a href=3D"mailto:CAT23-Ngame%40yahoogroups.com">CAT23-Ngame@<wbr>yaho= ogroups.<wbr>com</a>>; <<a href=3D"mailto:dipknights%40yahoogroups.co= m">dipknights@yahoogro<wbr>ups.com</a>><br> > Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 1:19 PM<br> > Subject: Re: [CAT23-Ngame] Next week's survey - Favorite Variants<br> ><br> ><br> > I looked at the description; it does look interesting. Do<br> > > the players know how many SC's there are altogether?<br> > ><br> > ><br> > > Babak Talebi a =E9crit :<br> > ><br> > > > Thank you Martin for that vote of confidence..<wbr>.<br> > > ><br> > > > Thanks to the Variant Bank - the rules for CivDip survive ye= t -<br> > > ><br> > > > <a href=3D"http://www.variantbank.org/results/rules/c/civdip= .htm">http://www.variantb<wbr>ank.org/results/<wbr>rules/c/civdip.<wbr>htm<= /a><br> > > ><br> > > > To my knowledge only 3 games of this variant were ever playe= d - with<br> > > > me<br> > > > having GMed in one, and having played in a second (where I g= ot<br> > > > demolished to<br> > > > my embarrassment ;P)<br> > > ><br> > > > It is a pretty tough and time consuming game to GM (maybe tw= o GMs<br> > > > should be<br> > > > used - I don't know) because each player has to receive indi= viduated<br> > > > maps<br> > > > every season and the GM has to keep track of what each civ s= ees, all<br> > > > trades,<br> > > > etc. but absolutely worth the time and effort because the GM= gets to<br> > > > see<br> > > > everything and watch as the various 'nations' blindly look f= or new SCs<br> > > > to<br> > > > conquer and have theirs taken by surprise attacks from the d= ark.<br> > > ><br> > > > The game is of course inspired by (arguably) the best PC gam= e ever<br> > > > devised -<br> > > > Sid Meier's Civilization (I through IV).<br> > > ><br> > > > If ever a brave soul was to decide to GM this variant (Marti= n - can it<br> > > > be<br> > > > true?)- I want to be the first to sign up :)<br> > > ><br> > > > Babak<br> > > ><br> > > ><br> > > ><br> > > ><br> > > ><br> > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Martin Gilbey <<br> > > > <a href=3D"mailto:Martin.Gilbey%40sitestream.biz">Martin.Gil= bey@<wbr>sitestream.<wbr>biz</a>><br> > > > wrote:<br> > > ><br> > > > Steve,<br> > > > ><br> > > > ><br> > > > ><br> > > > > The re-appearance of Babak Talebi on the Cat23 NGame li= st prompts me<br> > > > > to<br> > > > > nominate his CivDip as my favourite Variant. I would ot= herwise have<br> > > > > suggested Seismic Diplomacy, however, having penned som= e 'version 2<br> > > > > rules' for this, I feel this perhaps precludes me from = doing so.<br> > > > ><br> > > > ><br> > > > ><br> > > > > Et al,<br> > > > ><br> > > > ><br> > > > ><br> > > > > In fact, if anyone has hitherto unseen Diplomacy Map (n= ot too<br> > > > > complex)<br> > > > > that they would like to see the light of day, send me a= copy of it<br> > > > > at<br> > > > > 'mgdip AT yahoo DOT com' and I will run either of the f= ollowing<br> > > > > games<br> > > > > (according to popularity) on that map:-<br> > > > ><br> > > > ><br> > > > ><br> > > > > a. CivDip (- Effectively this is 1899 combined wit= h Fog of<br> > > > > War).<br> > > > > b. 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