Re: Re: Throwing the game.

Dear BeenChissled, 

          The most likely reason for two players always signing in or sending messages in wildly different time frames is that the anonymous players live on opposite sides of the world.  Try shaving with Ockham's razor. 



  
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Been Chissled" <[email protected]> 
To: [email protected] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 10:19:22 AM 
Subject: [dpjudge] Re: Throwing the game. 

I am not accusing Thorin of cheating.  I am saying the whistles and bells that show someone is on the same computer are not being tripped.  I have noticed that Italy and Austria in Owls 244 never send press around the same time.  Further look at the moves of the Italian player, with infuses on 1910 retreat.  Follow that up with the, HHMM HHMMM, missed moves the next season and Italy logging in 40 min after the moves go through.  I can understand your Idea that you can't tell from moves alone if someone is cheating but there is other suspicious activity.  I have over 20 games completed in the owls league and played in 3 tourneys, I don't throw this accusation out willy nilly. I am not , I repeat, Not accusing Thorin in anyway of cheating.  I am stating I don't think this was looked into very much.  On this I could be wrong.  Anyway can anyone explain to me why Italy would throw the game to Austria when he is not in danger of being eliminated and it wasn't used as a threat in anyway????  I understand getting blown out and saying if you keep attacking me I have no course but to throw my lot in with whomever?  This never happened.  It reminds me of the line from Doctor Strange Love.  If you build a dooms day device in order for it to work you have to tell the world.  Well anyway this has massively turned me off to Diplomacy on line. 

--- In [email protected], Jerrod Hansen <jhansen@...> wrote: 
> 
> Nice sig. Me loves some Bruce Schneier. :) 
> 
> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Chris Babcock <cbabcock@...>wrote: 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > I don't know why some players remain convinced that their subjective view 
> > of the game enables them to so much more reliably detect cheating than the 
> > moderator's view, which includes press between all parties and IP addresses. 
> > News flash... Of course it looks like players are colluding with one 
> > another. They are! 
> > 
> > Players, even those otherwise qualified, are not in a position to 
> > distinguish whether the collusion they detect is in game or out of game. If 
> > they think they can tell from the player seat whether another player is 
> > cheating then they are not qualified to moderate a game. 
> > 
> > Also, USDP has a conflict resolution policy: 
> > 
> > Any player who becomes aware that any other player or GameMaster is acting 
> > in violation of these rules, intentionally or otherwise, has a positive 
> > obligation to immediately inform the GameMaster (or, in the case of 
> > perceived violation by the GameMaster, the judgekeeper). 
> > 
> > In other words, accusing other players or the GM of cheating serves no 
> > reasonable in-game purpose because any actual suspicion of cheating must 
> > immediately be reported. Accusing the GM of collusion with players to any 
> > other party than the judgekeeper should be grounds for removal. 
> > 
> > Signoff 
> > Chris 
> > -- 
> > IT security in 2020 will be less about protecting you from traditional bad 
> > guys, and more about protecting corporate business models from you. 
> >   -- Bruce Schneier 
> > 
> > On Dec 20, 2010 5:20 PM, "Been Chissled" <kirman36@...> wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > I gues he doesn't have the time to take this seriously. I am not talking 
> > out my ass or trying to be a dick but Thorin what gives.  I think you have a 
> > system that show if something is from the same system and if not you no 
> > longer have the time to check into it.  I ask everyone that has any power 
> > here to look into this.   Italy and Austria in game 244 are in a fix. 
> >  Whatever I will not be playing more Owles games until I get an apology from 
> > Thorin.  The majority of house rules are to keep people from cheating.  Ask 
> > for them to be inforced and you would think you asked for a kidney.   I am 
> > done....     Happy holidays to all. 
> > 
> > Hope I don't get kicked out I love this game but this is crap. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In [email protected], "thorinmunro" <thorinmunro@> wrote: 
> > > 
> > > Broadcast message ... 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> 




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