Re: Solo AND alliance player
"Peter J Richardson" <pjrich-XZoyATsUNX5Wk0Htik3J/[email protected]> Sun, 8 Feb 2004 23:30:11 -0000
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Setzer" <mczet-1urT0Is/[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [wm02-chat] Solo AND alliance player > Ah, right. There was a fair amout of DB stuff lost when the old Cat23 server > got hacked on, so we ended up recreating as best we could. Really? I might be able to help you then. I have some access databases for both 1999 and 2000. I think the 1999 database is Round 1 only, but I do have some combined R1+R2 results for 2000. IndR1&R2Summ GTot Tot_R1 Tot_R2 PlayerName PlayerEmail 115 60.00 55 David Malloch [email protected] 114 60.00 54 Paraic Reddington paraic.reddington-3U/[email protected] 113 43.00 70 Jack Brawner [email protected] 106 60.00 46 Erlend Janbu janbu-f/[email protected] 106 60.00 46 Paul Riley paul.riley-r7xu/[email protected] 100 30.00 70 Pat Charlton [email protected] 94 44.00 50 Ken Samland stabland-/[email protected] 92 60.00 32 Sascha Hingst [email protected] 92 60.00 32 Egbert Ferreira [email protected] 92 60.00 32 Yann CLOUET [email protected] 91 47.00 44 Jonny Sinclair [email protected] 91 46.00 45 Larry Doyle larrydoyle-17JNTD7cny/[email protected] 89 60.00 29 Thomas Franke [email protected] 89 41.00 48 Douglas Vaughan [email protected] 89 33.00 56 David Wreathall [email protected] 86 33.00 53 Mike Weinzimer mweinzimer-/[email protected] 85 40.00 45 Fearghal O'Donnchu Fearghal.ODonnchu-GyNBpAkPfN4ZwET3hWM+5FYNf/[email protected] 84 60.00 24 Christian Dreyer [email protected] 83 33.00 50 Andrew Lane andrew.lane-2/khivBkHQhWk0Htik3J/[email protected] 83 26.00 57 Brian Dennehy [email protected] 78 24.00 54 Randolph Ruff [email protected] 78 22.00 56 John Milardovic milardj-/[email protected] 77 60.00 17 Steve Araps [email protected] 77 23.00 54 Michael Zmolek <maz-GYE/[email protected]> 76 44.00 32 Scott [email protected] 76 24.00 52 Jody McCullough [email protected] 75 5.00 70 Tangi Le Dantec [email protected] 74 22.00 52 Frank Johansen frank.johansen-JysDDe5PCfPoYJo/[email protected] 74 21.00 53 Sylvain MASSON [email protected] 73 47.00 26 Steve Langdon [email protected] 72 60.00 12 Trond K. Botnen trond.botnen-x/[email protected] 70 60.00 10 Len Tennant [email protected] 70 20.00 50 Andrew Hartley [email protected] 69 45.00 24 Andrew Stupple kitchens-/[email protected]@1st-impressions.fsnet.co.uk 69 37.00 32 John Carlton [email protected] 69 25.00 44 Mike Turner [email protected] 68 60.00 8 Ed Sepkowski e-sepkowski-w7Iri/[email protected] 68 40.00 28 Robert Köhnen [email protected] 67 43.00 24 Steve Bird [email protected] 66.36 9.36 57 Darryl Atkinson habsrule-qazKcTl6WRFWk0Htik3J/[email protected] 65 47.00 18 Stephen Agar stephen-IysS3lmXKJQCqOQrDF6SL1pr/1R2p/[email protected] 65 14.00 51 Simon Magnusson simon-TN5Gow6/[email protected] 64 31.00 33 Chetan Radia [email protected] 64 8.00 56 Daniel Hirsch [email protected] 63 9.00 54 Dan Barlow [email protected] 62 39.00 23 Jeff Stephens jis-/[email protected] 62 30.00 32 Darren Koch [email protected] 62 22.00 40 Rune Kristensen Rune.Kristensen-jG/[email protected] 61 9.00 52 Iain Graydon [email protected] 60 60.00 0 Jason Hink [email protected] 60 60.00 0 Shlomi Yaakobovich shlomiya-/[email protected] 60 60.00 0 Christian Kline [email protected] 60 60.00 0 Gabriel Blum [email protected] 60 31.00 29 Richard Carre [email protected] 59 43.00 16 Roland Isaksson [email protected] 58 41.00 17 Robert Williamson [email protected] 57 0.00 57 Nicholas Benedict Nicholas.Benedict-NPE8gTOuOvNWk0Htik3J/[email protected] 56 5.00 51 Robert Miklos [email protected] 56 1.00 55 Patrick Weeks [email protected] 55 45.00 10 Matt Clyker mclyker-oUEH2zi5OqRWk0Htik3J/[email protected] 55 44.00 11 Mick Haytack [email protected] 55 10.00 45 Zoli Takach [email protected] 53 26.00 27 Tom Booth [email protected] 52 39.00 13 Tom Ogas [email protected] 52 7.00 45 William Henson [email protected] 51 28.00 23 Warren Ball WBall-Lp/[email protected] 49 42.00 7 Stephen Wainer [email protected] 49 39.00 10 Dan Krane [email protected] 48 42.00 6 Mark Wightman [email protected] 48 31.00 17 Keith Bailey [email protected] 47 47.00 0 Karl Lyons [email protected] 47 47.00 0 Dave Horton [email protected] 47 44.00 3 Rick Desper rick_desper-/[email protected] 47 43.00 4 Tim Goodwin tim-oePbNc35i4FWk0Htik3J/[email protected] 47 32.00 15 Ralph Greenwall [email protected] 47 24.00 23 Paul Risner [email protected] 47 15.00 32 Mark Breed bigdoubleya-/[email protected] 46 46.00 0 Fredrik Oerlyng foe-uL/[email protected] 46 18.00 28 Yarden Livnat yarden-sDh8Nw2yj/[email protected] 45 45.00 0 Tage Bengtsson [email protected] 45 15.00 30 Sebastian Beer [email protected] 45 14.00 31 Ron Poet [email protected] 44 44.00 0 Don Scheifler [email protected] 44 44.00 0 Michael Warde [email protected] 43 43.00 0 Ron Pacheco, Jr. [email protected] 43 42.00 1 Edward Hawthorne edward_hawthorne-/[email protected] 43 42.00 1 John Colledge dunorroch-nj/[email protected] 43 14.00 29 Ray Setzer mczet-1urT0Is/[email protected] 42 42.00 0 Lars Ruben Hirsch [email protected] 42 42.00 0 cctuttle [email protected] 42 42.00 0 Soeren Pedersen [email protected] 42 9.00 33 Ian Konen plenarium-/[email protected] 41 41.00 0 Jeff Dwornicki [email protected] 41 41.00 0 Cormac Lane [email protected] 39 38.00 1 Jeremy Mario [email protected] 38 28.00 10 Lee Simpson [email protected] 38 23.00 15 Luiz Bayard [email protected] 37 37.00 0 Marc Maier mlm17-WLbs8XpHrcb2fBVCVOL8/[email protected] 36.23 22.23 14 Cyrille Sevin [email protected] 35 32.00 3 Michael Kochin kochin-+lLcF8/[email protected] 33 33.00 0 Brent MacLean jbm-mlXV8L6TvAs4OQuTosTDxCwD8/[email protected] 33 4.00 29 Patrick D'Hyon najrick-Kjyc9vwXMi66c6uEtOJ/[email protected] 32 0.00 32 Itamar Laserson [email protected] 32 0.00 32 JR Paley [email protected] 31 31.00 0 Ahmed Darwish [email protected] 31 22.00 9 Brian Frew BrianDFrew-w2a/[email protected] 31 18.00 13 David Treusch [email protected] 30.67 14.67 16 Ruud van Rossem ruud-ofbZ/[email protected] 30 18.00 12 Visa Lähdekorpi [email protected] 30 14.00 16 Ian Cowburn [email protected] 30 1.00 29 Stephane DERDI [email protected] 29 25.00 4 Romain JACQUES RJacques-ktI5iQee+kMsA/[email protected] 29 1.00 28 Simon Goodall [email protected] 28 28.00 0 Bernie Cranie bernie-hxZFkrtrGDeHH/v2FuTx8XANwzR/[email protected] 28 13.00 15 Steph Mabie [email protected] 27 14.00 13 Bernd Wittmann [email protected] 26 23.00 3 Gary Pennington [email protected] 25 25.00 0 David Lawson [email protected] 25 25.00 0 John Wilman [email protected] 25 24.00 1 Nicklas Perez [email protected] 25 12.00 13 Vesa Virri [email protected] 24 24.00 0 Rob Ferguson gmdiplomacy-/[email protected] 24 14.00 10 Tim German [email protected] 24 14.00 10 Benoît Clergeot [email protected] 23 23.00 0 Piotr Skotnicki Skotnicki-HePnILPf+QntwjQa/[email protected] 23 23.00 0 Brandon Clarke [email protected] 23 22.00 1 Patrick John bacchus777-/[email protected] 23 22.00 1 Talbert Kearney [email protected] 23 22.00 1 Eric Arnault [email protected] 23 14.00 9 Derek Madson team_canada_derek-FFYn/[email protected] 22 22.00 0 Ian Mangles [email protected] 22 22.00 0 David Main [email protected] 22 22.00 0 Dave PARTRIDGE [email protected] 22 22.00 0 Scot Duddy [email protected] 22 22.00 0 Jennifer Barlow [email protected] 22 22.00 0 Patrick John bacchus777-/[email protected] 22 15.00 7 David Karcher [email protected] 21 21.00 0 Marc Peters [email protected] 21 21.00 0 Assaf Yatziv [email protected] 21 21.00 0 Bill White [email protected] 21 21.00 0 Andrea Ziffer [email protected] 20 20.00 0 Gene Daniels Gene-nEcHbfHaymZWk0Htik3J/[email protected] 20 13.00 7 Tim Richardson [email protected] 19 6.00 13 Ricardo Carneiro [email protected] 19 2.00 17 Frédéric CHANFRAU frederic.chanfrau-C6OTYjEFLkiinbtQmvFLAtBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org 19 2.00 17 Christian Beissmann [email protected] 19 1.00 18 Peter J Richardson pjrich-XZoyATsUNX5Wk0Htik3J/[email protected] 18 18.00 0 Sanford O'Donnell snodonne-b/Twen6L8IQsA/[email protected] 18 12.00 6 Steve Jones steve.g.jones-XZoyATsUNX5Wk0Htik3J/[email protected] 18 10.00 8 Derek Black shjbinc-FFYn/[email protected] 18 8.00 10 Eyal Sagi ermon-+lLcF8/[email protected] 17 17.00 0 Thierry Garcia [email protected] 17 17.00 0 Tim Crosby crosby_m-XrYUcXHvavKNKE6diT/[email protected] 17 17.00 0 Norman Mott III [email protected] 17 3.00 14 Phyl Cook [email protected] 16 16.00 0 Peter Dunnett pdunnett-vReqz+ulqAe6Qcy6c8p6Oq0tHMew+R7NWmv/[email protected] 16 16.00 0 David Degville [email protected] 16 16.00 0 Peter Mangles [email protected] 16 15.00 1 Thava Visvanathan thava-gyjF/G4FxDS6c6uEtOJ/[email protected] 16 15.00 1 Glenn Bengtsson bengan74-/[email protected] 15 15.00 0 Maurice Jean [email protected] 15 15.00 0 Jeff Smith [email protected] 15 15.00 0 Joshua Randall jerandall-/[email protected] 15 14.00 1 Paul Wakefield [email protected] 15 6.00 9 John Lippincott [email protected] 14 14.00 0 Alon Yaakobovich alon_yaak-/[email protected] 14 14.00 0 Ron Artigues [email protected] 14 13.00 1 Steve Ray raytri-/[email protected] 14 12.00 2 Petter Olsen [email protected] 14 0.00 14 Charles Steinhardt [email protected] 14 0.00 14 Martin Schulz [email protected] 13 13.00 0 Karl Georg Øhrn [email protected] 13 5.00 8 Bret Cousins [email protected] 13 0.00 13 Steve Hutton [email protected] 12 12.00 0 Tony Reeves [email protected] 12 3.00 9 Suzanne Castagne [email protected] 12 3.00 9 Thomas L. Libby Libbylaw-XfrvlLN1Pqtfpb/[email protected] 12 2.00 10 Andreas Ziethen [email protected] 11 11.00 0 Clinton Wolf [email protected] 10 10.00 0 Jon Reznick neocount-r7xu/[email protected] 10 8.00 2 Jim Priz [email protected] 10 0.00 10 Mike McMillie [email protected] 9 9.00 0 Karsten Ockenfels karsten.ockenfels-W0LT3s891MuJgy8zuK87TIQuADTiUCJX@public.gmane.org 9 9.00 0 Mike Hall [email protected] 9 9.00 0 Iain Lindley [email protected] 9 9.00 0 Chris Bowers [email protected] 9 9.00 0 Terry Tallman [email protected] 9 5.00 4 David Consiglio, Jr. [email protected] 8 8.00 0 Simon Szykman [email protected] 8 8.00 0 Tobby Haris (aka ze real tobby) [email protected] 8 8.00 0 Mark Smith [email protected] 8 8.00 0 Emmanuel LORGE [email protected] 8 0.00 8 Michael Berrell [email protected] 7 7.00 0 Andy Bandit andyb1414-/[email protected] 7 0.00 7 Klas Forsberg [email protected] 6 6.00 0 Chris Martin TremewanC-XfrvlLN1Pqtfpb/[email protected] 6 5.00 1 Thomas Bergstrøm [email protected] 5 5.00 0 David Cohen david_e_cohen-/[email protected] (was:[email protected]) 5 5.00 0 Barry Giller [email protected] 5 5.00 0 Søren_Bülow [email protected] 3 3.00 0 Mark Labbett [email protected] 3 2.00 1 Nigel Pepper [email protected] 2 2.00 0 Sean Cisewski [email protected] 2 2.00 0 Mark Mizak [email protected] 2 1.00 1 Peter Ingraham [email protected] 2 0.00 2 Emeric Miszti [email protected] 1 1.00 0 Jeremy Pickwall [email protected] 1 1.00 0 Guy Thomas Guy_Thomas-lVgqpKA6N6Zaa/[email protected] 1 1.00 0 Ronny Eftevag [email protected] 1 1.00 0 Brad Winkler [email protected] 1 0.00 1 Leif Kjetil Tviberg [email protected] 1 0.00 1 Talbert Kearney [email protected] 1 0.00 1 Lane Cross [email protected] 1 0.00 1 Mike Mehaffey [email protected] 0 0.00 0 Luiz Guilherme Figueiredo [email protected] 0 0.00 0 Luiz Edmundo ledmundo-/[email protected] 0 0.00 0 Jens Persson [email protected] 0 0.00 0 Edi Birsan [email protected] 0 0.00 0 Flavio Ramos amarelo-KN8SfheMbrtfJ/[email protected] 0 0.00 0 Timo Luege luege-v0n/Su9FUwCrG/[email protected] 0 0.00 0 Mark Smith emarksmi-yBeKhBN/[email protected] 0 0.00 0 Allen York [email protected] 0 0.00 0 George Pringle team_canada_george-/[email protected] 0 0.00 0 Owen Blagae owen_blagae-/[email protected] 0 0.00 0 Spencer Bernard zalandris-/[email protected] 24 0 0 10 51 30 8 23 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Len Tennant" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 2:01 AM > Subject: Re: [wm02-chat] Solo AND alliance player > > > > I must be pretty dumb. The best I can find is the Round 1 results for > > WM00 and WM99. I don't really know who made it to the semis so its hard > > to test the solo target theory. > > Len > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ray Setzer" <mczet-1urT0Is/[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 3:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [wm02-chat] Solo AND alliance player > > > > > > You can check pretty easy. The DB's are at the WM headquarters: > > http://www.worldmasters.net/portal > > Go to the worldmasters tab and then subtabs for 00 and 99 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Len Tennant" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 3:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [wm02-chat] Solo AND alliance player > > > > > > > Are there any stats on how many of the 7 finalists in the last WM > > solo'd > > > in Round 1 or 2? And how many of the 42 semi final losers had a solo > > in > > > Round 1 or 2? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ray Setzer" <mczet-1urT0Is/[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 1:26 PM > > > Subject: Re: [wm02-chat] Solo AND alliance player > > > > > > > > > What should it matter who soloed or no in any prior rounds. Its not > > like > > > anything carrys over. > > > > > > You can argue that there really are no alliance players in the semi's > > > since only one person from each board can advance. Its either top or > > > your done. Perhaps a couple players may gang up on some prior solo > > > getter, but I'd say that really had nothing to do with the solo, but > > > rather that those players saw advantage in getting control of some > > > section of the board quickly. And even with that in mind, its likely > > > that the other players on the board will try and either scuttle that, > > or > > > take advantage of it in some other way. > > > > > > Its the semifinals man, you either bring your best game or you go > > home. > > > If your distracted by what someone may or may not have done in a prior > > > round, your likely to detour from your best moves. > > > > > > Take Yann for example...please. I don't trust him any further than I > > can > > > throw a piano, but I do know that he won't engage in a pointless stab, > > > he won't wander off topic seeking revenge from some real or imagined > > > slight, but I also would be an idiot to leave open centers lying about > > > where he can grab them. > > > > > > I predict that people will play the board as it lies, and won't give a > > > rats behind about what happened in any prior round. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Peter J Richardson > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 10:40 AM > > > Subject: Re: [wm02-chat] Solo AND alliance player > > > > > > > > > I suppose all this depends upon whether the soloist's ally throws > > the > > > solo. > > > > > > Regards > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Andrew Stupple > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 11:28 AM > > > Subject: Re: [wm02-chat] Solo AND alliance player > > > > > > > > > Good question. Of course, soloists from round 2 will argue that > > very > > > point, whilst others will argue that a soloist cannot be an alliance > > > player by the very nature of the fact that he/she ruthlessly soloed in > > > round 2 (or at least one in rounds 1 and 2). . > > > > > > > > > > > > Yann Clouet <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Funny demarcation. > > > Why would being an alliance player and a solo-goer be exclusive > > ? > > > > > > (BTW hi to the list ;-) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Andrew Stupple > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 11:20 AM > > > Subject: Re: [wm02-chat] Getting close: > > > > > > > > > I'm not convinced that all players in the third round, will > > have > > > a passing aquaintance with solos themselves. There is probably just as > > > many allinace players as ruthless go-getters, which will make the > > semis > > > very exciting. > > > > > > It's going to be a blood bath! > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > ---- > > > BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and > > > save £80 > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > ---- > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wm02-chat/ > > > > > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > [email protected] > > > > > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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