Re: The endless influx of low-quality, low-realism, quantity-over-quality aircraft into FGAddon

Type Certificates?

If an aircraft in a simulator has significantly different performance and
handling when operated with controls matching those in the actual aircraft,
would a licensed pilot want anything to do with it?  I'm not talking about
"recreational" use here, but about the demanding use of FlightGear for
procedural and situational training, providing a foundation for
certification on a specific aircraft.

As for certification, visuals are the easy part. Compare the cockpit with
the actual aircraft and its equipment.  Check Measurements.

But behavior in a variety of flight scenaria is what really counts.  Is it
possible to script tests for take-off, cruise, landing, and best glide
behavior at various V-Speeds and Stall Speeds at sea level and at high
altitudes, with different fuel weight loading? Perhaps with a log that
compares the expected behavior of the aircraft with the simulated results?

 That would be a good start, but you might need someone with actual
experience to take a look as well. You'd also want to check every single
instrument, adjustment, switch, and indicator to ensure they operate
exactly as indicated in the POH or other manuals.

We might need someone who flies the actual aircraft to accompany us on a
checkride.  An actual pilot or CFI.

Rate this aircraft:  Wright Flyer

"Employing "wing warping", it was relatively unstable and very difficult to
fly.
The airplane flew 852 ft (260 m) on its fourth and final flight, but was
damaged on landing, and wrecked minutes later when powerful gusts blew it
over."

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_Flyer

So, is the Wright Flyer difficult to fly in Flightgear?  What makes it
hard? Does it employ wing warping in it's FDM?

Is there a POH?

If not, how do we rate it?  Do we know anyone with Wright Flyer
endorsements or CFI certification? ;-)


-Pat -  A "recreational" non-pilot flight simulation enthusiast.



On Sat, May 23, 2026 at 2:57 PM SP-NTX -FlightGear <
[email protected]> wrote:

> I believe it is necessary to distinguish between "fun" planes and
> counter-realistic placeholder-level aircraft.
>
> sob., 23 maj 2026 o 15:32 gallonf&z <[email protected]> napisał(a):
>
>> The first plane a new user encounters is the Cessna 172...'
>>
>> On Sat, May 23, 2026 at 7:19 AM An Phúc Nguyễn Vạn <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> The idea is that we never hides the fun aircraft. but recommend the best
>>> out of FG addon for users
>>>
>>> Vào Thứ 7, 23 thg 5, 2026 vào lúc 19:07 An Phúc Nguyễn Vạn <
>>> [email protected]> đã viết:
>>>
>>>> I suggest we could have a UI for a curated list of the best aircraft in
>>>> realism, and recommend it to newcomers so they don't get lost in the vast
>>>> selection we offer and have a great impression with flight gear!
>>>>
>>>> Vào Thứ 7, 23 thg 5, 2026 vào lúc 18:52 Willie Fleming <
>>>> [email protected]> đã viết:
>>>>
>>>>> Couldn't agree more with the OP.
>>>>>
>>>>> The ratings are a joke.
>>>>> No complaints with Helijahs work that I have greatly enjoyed in over
>>>>> 20 years of using FG. It is what it is and he provides a good starting
>>>>> point for other developers. I sincerely thank him for his prodigious
>>>>> efforts over the decades.
>>>>> However I do not think his work should be front and centre in the
>>>>> default hanger as the OP says, it gives an overall negative impression to a
>>>>> new user.
>>>>> OR put them in another hangar called Gamer or something like that,
>>>>> just make it clear these are for fun or further development and not
>>>>> indicative of a proper simulation aircraft.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 22 May 2026, 16:50 Alan Teeder, <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, but for many users Flightgear  *IS* a game.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For me Flightgear is a flight simulator, but I consider myself
>>>>>> probably in a minority.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>> On 22/05/2026 16:36, David Hudach wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Personally, this is inappropriate for this discussion: *Nice troll
>>>>>> though ;)*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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