Re: The endless influx of low-quality, low-realism, quantity-over-quality aircraft into FGAddon

I doubt there is any perfect solution.
Shouldn't stop us trying though. The Wright Flyer is obviously an edge case
and that alongside a few other obvious cases will always be firmly in the
Fun hangar.
Maybe something along the lines of a Type Certificate is the way to go in
the long term.
But meantime for maximum gain for least effort we have 3 hangars.

Well developed -close to using for actual useful learning. C172 A320 J3Cub
MD11 Tu154 etc

Fun - Wright Flyer, much of Helijahs work

Everything else.


Of course there will be debate about what goes where but it's a start and
with proper documentation could alleviate newcomers getting negative
impressions.

Regards
Willie Fleming

On Sun, 24 May 2026, 03:47 Patrick Callahan, <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Type Certificates?
>
> If an aircraft in a simulator has significantly different performance and
> handling when operated with controls matching those in the actual aircraft,
> would a licensed pilot want anything to do with it?  I'm not talking about
> "recreational" use here, but about the demanding use of FlightGear for
> procedural and situational training, providing a foundation for
> certification on a specific aircraft.
>
> As for certification, visuals are the easy part. Compare the cockpit with
> the actual aircraft and its equipment.  Check Measurements.
>
> But behavior in a variety of flight scenaria is what really counts.  Is
> it possible to script tests for take-off, cruise, landing, and best glide
> behavior at various V-Speeds and Stall Speeds at sea level and at high
> altitudes, with different fuel weight loading? Perhaps with a log that
> compares the expected behavior of the aircraft with the simulated results?
>
>  That would be a good start, but you might need someone with actual
> experience to take a look as well. You'd also want to check every single
> instrument, adjustment, switch, and indicator to ensure they operate
> exactly as indicated in the POH or other manuals.
>
> We might need someone who flies the actual aircraft to accompany us on a
> checkride.  An actual pilot or CFI.
>
> Rate this aircraft:  Wright Flyer
>
> "Employing "wing warping", it was relatively unstable and very difficult
> to fly.
> The airplane flew 852 ft (260 m) on its fourth and final flight, but was
> damaged on landing, and wrecked minutes later when powerful gusts blew it
> over."
>
> Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_Flyer
>
> So, is the Wright Flyer difficult to fly in Flightgear?  What makes it
> hard? Does it employ wing warping in it's FDM?
>
> Is there a POH?
>
> If not, how do we rate it?  Do we know anyone with Wright Flyer
> endorsements or CFI certification? ;-)
>
>
> -Pat -  A "recreational" non-pilot flight simulation enthusiast.
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 23, 2026 at 2:57 PM SP-NTX -FlightGear <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I believe it is necessary to distinguish between "fun" planes and
>> counter-realistic placeholder-level aircraft.
>>
>> sob., 23 maj 2026 o 15:32 gallonf&z <[email protected]> napisał(a):
>>
>>> The first plane a new user encounters is the Cessna 172...'
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 23, 2026 at 7:19 AM An Phúc Nguyễn Vạn <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The idea is that we never hides the fun aircraft. but recommend the
>>>> best out of FG addon for users
>>>>
>>>> Vào Thứ 7, 23 thg 5, 2026 vào lúc 19:07 An Phúc Nguyễn Vạn <
>>>> [email protected]> đã viết:
>>>>
>>>>> I suggest we could have a UI for a curated list of the best aircraft
>>>>> in realism, and recommend it to newcomers so they don't get lost in the
>>>>> vast selection we offer and have a great impression with flight gear!
>>>>>
>>>>> Vào Thứ 7, 23 thg 5, 2026 vào lúc 18:52 Willie Fleming <
>>>>> [email protected]> đã viết:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Couldn't agree more with the OP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The ratings are a joke.
>>>>>> No complaints with Helijahs work that I have greatly enjoyed in over
>>>>>> 20 years of using FG. It is what it is and he provides a good starting
>>>>>> point for other developers. I sincerely thank him for his prodigious
>>>>>> efforts over the decades.
>>>>>> However I do not think his work should be front and centre in the
>>>>>> default hanger as the OP says, it gives an overall negative impression to a
>>>>>> new user.
>>>>>> OR put them in another hangar called Gamer or something like that,
>>>>>> just make it clear these are for fun or further development and not
>>>>>> indicative of a proper simulation aircraft.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 22 May 2026, 16:50 Alan Teeder, <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, but for many users Flightgear  *IS* a game.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For me Flightgear is a flight simulator, but I consider myself
>>>>>>> probably in a minority.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>> On 22/05/2026 16:36, David Hudach wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personally, this is inappropriate for this discussion: *Nice troll
>>>>>>> though ;)*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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