Re: The endless influx of low-quality, low-realism, quantity-over-quality aircraft into FGAddon

Willie,

Yes I understand. Though not an expert, I can code in python, C and some
C++. A few years ago I wrote in python and then C an instrument animation
panel (similar to fgpanel) for my sim. Much of the interfacing in my sim is
using my custom python scripts.

But the turnoff is the mere suggestion that unless you can do this, your
ideas are not welcome, no matter how much "non-commit" effort you've put
in, or how much airplane or other knowledge you have. Correct me if I'm
wrong, but not once in this or any discussion have I heard a "real"
contributor say, "that's a great idea, let's work together to code it up."
I've seen plenty of "here's where and how YOU can commit it." But otherwise
my overall take is that the atmosphere for input is less than welcoming
unless you've passed the "commit" test.

Thanks,
Dave

On Wed, May 27, 2026 at 7:28 AM Willie Fleming <[email protected]> wrote:

> TBH for the past few years I have been fully onvolved in another project
> and only occaisionally having time for a fun flight out 9f Keflavik or
> recreating our buumpy arrival into Funchal last year.
> Then the spare room got freed up and I had space to thimk about a proper
> cockpit. I returned to find my best FG source had flounced off and deleted
> all his/her posts.
> Which was a shame.
> However I am back in the game and may consider humbly contributing if you
> think I am worthy.
> Though the dismissive comments suggest the attitude problem extends wider
> than thee Grumpy Ploughboy. Correct they do NOT prevent me from
> contributing. OTOH they do eff-all to encourage me or anyone else
> unfortunate enough to witmess the arrogance and petulance of some.
>
> Regards
> Willie Fleming
>
> On Wed, 27 May 2026, 12:11 James Turner, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 27 May 2026, at 11:31, David Hudach <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>  The FG project should be able to take critique and criticism from
>> testing and analysis on all levels and "talking about stuff" should result
>> in some kinds of resolutions or maybe even consensus or at least the notion
>> that it's a serious topic.
>>
>>
>> Well, experience has shown that we can (sometimes) build a consensus
>> here, but that achieves … not a whole lot. ‘Doing stuff’ (commits /
>> testing) is worth 50x or 100x more than ‘talking about stuff’, even if it’s
>> a conversation that leads to a consensus. Because in the end, it’s commits
>> that improve the user experience when they download something.
>>
>> And to be blunt: talking is taken a lot more seriously when it comes from
>> someone who has previously *done stuff* (commits again). In the original
>> example of aircraft quality, if you or SP-NTX had spent the last six months
>> filling the GitLab tracker with fixes / patches to improve the ratings or
>> fix low-hanging bugs in:
>>
>> https://gitlab.com/flightgear/aircraft-bugs
>>
>> … then I would take your comments many times more seriously than I do at
>> present. Other people have fixed plenty bugs in that time - Rhys
>> especially, Gijs and many others as well. Each of those commits has made an
>> immediate improvement to the end-user experience of people running
>> FlightGear.
>>
>> If you care about a topic, demonstrating a commitment to doing stuff *as
>> well* as talking about stuff, is what matters. Because otherwise we will
>> talk our way to a conclusion, but nothing will get done. If, say, you think
>> the ratings UI needs to change: you’re the one who needs to change the UI,
>> probably. You don’t need to build a consensus here *first*: made a PoC,
>> submit it, and then you and I and whoever else cares can debate the
>> technical / UX merits of it, with something concrete. Same for changing the
>> default ratings or anything else :)
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> James
>>
>>
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