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I'm fine with that answer, Larry - makes sense to me.
Mark
On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 11:25 AM Larry Levy [email protected]
[spielfrieks] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Too late to do anything about the Villainous games, Mark. If it looks
> like they're splitting the vote, we can try to work something out.
>
> As for the KeyForge games, those are all stand-alone expansions.
> According to the Geek, and our own ground rules, they're eligible.
>
> With regard to this comment and the one made earlier by Clay, I understan=
d
> the concern. Somehow, it feels as if we should be voting for the origina=
l
> designs and not these reboots. But here's the thing. Publishers have
> obviously decided that it's good business to reissue games in standalone
> formats.. Thus, we have a huge number of "second editions", Big Boxes,
> standalone expansions, outright spinoffs, and many other examples. Some =
of
> these games bear significant differences from their original versions, so
> it makes good sense to include them (the second edition of Pax Pamir is a
> good example of this). For other cases, it's definitely pushing things. =
I
> certainly don't know all these cases well enough to judge which should be
> included and which shouldn't and it would probably be hard (and definitel=
y
> time consuming) to get a consensus from the group. I'm not even sure it
> would be worth it even if it was easier. So I think the best course, as
> Clay said, is to let the voters decide. If you think a new version of a
> game is different enough and good enough to vote for, do so. It's worked
> pretty well in the past and I'm confident it will continue to do so.
>
> Larry
>
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 12:01 PM Simon Neale ukgamersi-/[email protected]
> [spielfrieks] <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> And we=E2=80=99re off...... votes cast!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Simon.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 12 Jun 2020, at 16:37, Larry Levy [email protected] [spielfrieks] =
<
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> =EF=BB=BF
>>
>> Okay, everyone, it=E2=80=99s time to get this puppy started! First off =
is the
>> preliminary round of voting. The goal is to come up with a list of
>> nominated games. Thanks to everyone for their suggestions; we now have =
215
>> games to choose from. During the first round, everyone will be able to
>> select up to 10 games to vote for and the top 25 vote-getters, plus ties=
,
>> will receive nominations and will advance to the final round of voting.
>>
>>
>>
>> I took the suggestions and combined the two versions of Unmatched into
>> one entry. That entry is called =E2=80=9CUnmatched (system)=E2=80=9D. =
I did something
>> similar with =E2=80=9CFunkoverse Strategy Game (system)=E2=80=9D, with t=
he idea being that
>> any version of these should be folded into this single entry. This seem=
s
>> like the most appropriate way of handling instances like this and avoids=
a
>> misleading splitting of the vote.
>>
>>
>>
>> Speaking of voting, you will do so by using our nifty little voting
>> application. No changes from previous years, but I=E2=80=99m sure no on=
e will mind
>> a refresher. First, go to the following website:
>> http://meepleschoice..win <http://meepleschoice.win>. You=E2=80=99ll se=
e five
>> menu headers at the top right of the screen. If you created an account =
in
>> a previous year, click on =E2=80=9CSign In=E2=80=9D. You=E2=80=99ll be =
prompted for your Login
>> (that is, your Username) and your Password. Put both of those in and
>> you=E2=80=99ll be ready to cast votes. If you don=E2=80=99t remember yo=
ur password, click
>> on the Forgot Password? prompt and we=E2=80=99ll get your password back =
out to
>> you. If you don=E2=80=99t have an account, click on "Sign Up" and you'l=
l be asked
>> to create a Username, provide your Email address, and create a Password.
>> You can also log in using either your Google or Facebook accounts. Once
>> you've filled out the fields, click on the Sign Up button and you'll be
>> entered into the database.
>>
>>
>>
>> Once you=E2=80=99re logged in, you can vote by going to the Home screen.=
There
>> are two big buttons there, labelled =E2=80=9CVote=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9C=
See Results=E2=80=9D. Clicking on
>> the =E2=80=9CSee Results=E2=80=9D button won=E2=80=99t show you anything=
, because I=E2=80=99ve hidden all
>> the earlier results to reduce the clutter during the vote. (Don=E2=80=
=99t worry,
>> I=E2=80=99ll put them back after we=E2=80=99re finished.) So the button=
you want to click
>> on is the Vote one. Doing so will show you a screen with all 215 games
>> listed in their full ludopathic glory. To the left of each game is a gr=
een
>> button that says =E2=80=9CAdd vote (10)=E2=80=9D. To vote for a game, c=
lick on the
>> button. The button will turn red and say =E2=80=9CRemove vote=E2=80=9D.=
That shows that
>> you voted for it. Also note that all the other green buttons now have a
>> (9) in parentheses, to show that you only have nine votes left. If you
>> want to change your vote, just click on a red button; it will change bac=
k
>> to green and it, and all the other green buttons, will have their
>> parenthetical values increased by 1. Once you=E2=80=99ve voted for 10 g=
ames, the
>> text on the other games will change to =E2=80=9Cvote limited=E2=80=9D an=
d those buttons
>> will be disabled, keeping you from voting for an eleventh game. The onl=
y
>> way you can add a new game is by removing your vote for one of the games
>> you=E2=80=99d selected.
>>
>>
>>
>> That's it. There's no button to register your final vote, because the
>> system records your votes automatically as you vote for games. The app
>> remembers your votes after you leave the screen and/or logout. When you
>> return to the application, you'll see all the choices you've previously
>> made. Because there's no formal way to finalize your vote, make sure
>> you're happy with the selections on the screen before the voting deadlin=
e
>> comes and I shut down the voting.
>>
>>
>>
>> There=E2=80=99s one other thing to consider. At the top of the voting p=
age,
>> there=E2=80=99s a statement about the voting preference you set last yea=
r. It
>> states whether or not you want to let other users see how you voted. If
>> you=E2=80=99re happy with the preference listed, just ignore it. If you=
want to
>> change your preference, or you haven=E2=80=99t set it earlier (maybe thi=
s is your
>> first year voting), click on the =E2=80=9CChange this=E2=80=9D button. =
Doing so will cause
>> your preference to toggle between letting your votes be public and letti=
ng
>> them be private. Once all the voting is over, we=E2=80=99ll be able to =
click on a
>> game and see the usernames of the people who voted for it, but only amon=
g
>> those who don=E2=80=99t mind letting their votes be public. That will l=
et folks
>> check out how their fellow spielfrieks voted, while still honoring the
>> privacy of those who would rather their votes remain secret.
>>
>>
>>
>> I=E2=80=99ll give everyone a week for the first round of voting, so some=
time next
>> Friday, I=E2=80=99ll shut down the voting. Then I=E2=80=99ll announce w=
hat the nominated
>> games are and we=E2=80=99ll continue with the final round of voting.
>>
>>
>>
>> If there are any questions about the application, just post them here.
>> Have fun voting and let=E2=80=99s pick a great group of nominated games!
>>
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 11:25 AM Larr=
y Levy <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> [sp=
ielfrieks] <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">spielfrieks@y=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Too late to do anything about the Villainous games, Mark.=
=C2=A0 If it looks like they're splitting the vote, we can try to work =
something out.<div><br></div><div>As for the KeyForge games, those are all =
stand-alone expansions.=C2=A0 According to the Geek, and our own ground rul=
es, they're eligible.</div><div><br></div><div>With regard to this comm=
ent and the one made earlier by Clay, I understand the concern.=C2=A0 Someh=
ow, it feels as if we should be voting for the original designs and not the=
se reboots.=C2=A0 But here's the thing.=C2=A0 Publishers have obviously=
decided that it's good business to reissue games in standalone formats=
...=C2=A0 Thus, we have a huge number of "second editions", Big Bo=
xes, standalone expansions, outright spinoffs, and many other examples.=C2=
=A0 Some of these games bear significant differences from their original ve=
rsions, so it makes good sense to include them (the second edition of Pax P=
amir is a good example of this).=C2=A0 For other cases, it's definitely=
pushing things.=C2=A0 I certainly don't know all these cases well enou=
gh to judge which should be included and which shouldn't and it would p=
robably be hard (and definitely time consuming) to get a consensus from the=
group.=C2=A0 I'm not even sure it would be worth it even if it was eas=
ier.=C2=A0 So I think the best course, as Clay said, is to let the voters d=
ecide.=C2=A0 If you think a new version of a game is different enough and g=
ood enough to vote for, do so.=C2=A0 It's worked pretty well in the pas=
t and I'm confident it will continue to do so.</div><div><br></div><div=
>Larry</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"=
gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 12:01 PM Simon Neale <a href=3D"mailto:=
ukgamersi-/[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">ukgamersi-/[email protected]</a> [spielfr=
ieks] <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">=
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iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On 12 Jun 2020, at 16:37,=
Larry Levy <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">huzon=
[email protected]</a> [spielfrieks] <<a href=3D"mailto:spielfrieks@yahoogr=
oups.com" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br><=
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n 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;">Okay,
everyone, it=E2=80=99s time to get this puppy started!=C2=A0
First off is the preliminary round of voting.=C2=A0 The goal is to come up =
with a list of nominated
games.=C2=A0 Thanks to everyone for their
suggestions; we now have 215 games to choose from.=C2=A0 During the first r=
ound, everyone will be able
to select up to 10 games to vote for and the top 25 vote-getters, plus ties=
,
will receive nominations and will advance to the final round of voting.</sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font=
-family:Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Aria=
l,sans-serif;">=C2=A0</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font=
-family:Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Aria=
l,sans-serif;">I took
the suggestions and combined the two versions of Unmatched into one entry.=
=C2=A0 That entry is called =E2=80=9CUnmatched (system)=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 I d=
id something similar with =E2=80=9CFunkoverse
Strategy Game (system)=E2=80=9D, with the idea being that any version of th=
ese should
be folded into this single entry.=C2=A0 This seems
like the most appropriate way of handling instances like this and avoids a
misleading splitting of the vote.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font=
-family:Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Aria=
l,sans-serif;">=C2=A0</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font=
-family:Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Aria=
l,sans-serif;">Speaking
of voting, you will do so by using our nifty little voting application.=C2=
=A0 No changes from previous years, but I=E2=80=99m sure
no one will mind a refresher.=C2=A0 First, go
to the following website:=C2=A0
<a href=3D"http://meepleschoice.win" target=3D"_blank">http://meepleschoice=
...win</a>.=C2=A0 You=E2=80=99ll
see five menu headers at the top right of the screen.=C2=A0 If you created =
an account in a previous year,
click on =E2=80=9CSign In=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 You=E2=80=99ll be prompted
for your Login (that is, your Username) and your Password.=C2=A0 Put both o=
f those in and you=E2=80=99ll be ready to
cast votes.=C2=A0 If you don=E2=80=99t remember your
password, click on the Forgot Password? prompt and we=E2=80=99ll get your p=
assword back
out to you.=C2=A0 If you don=E2=80=99t have an
account, click on "Sign Up" and you'll be asked to create a U=
sername,
provide your Email address, and create a Password.=C2=A0 You can also log i=
n using either your Google
or Facebook accounts.=C2=A0 Once you've filled
out the fields, click on the Sign Up button and you'll be entered into =
the
database.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font=
-family:Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Aria=
l,sans-serif;">=C2=A0</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font=
-family:Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Aria=
l,sans-serif;">Once
you=E2=80=99re logged in, you can vote by going to the Home screen.=C2=A0 T=
here are two big buttons there, labelled
=E2=80=9CVote=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CSee Results=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 Clicking on
the =E2=80=9CSee Results=E2=80=9D button won=E2=80=99t show you anything, b=
ecause I=E2=80=99ve hidden all the
earlier results to reduce the clutter during the vote.=C2=A0 (Don=E2=80=99t=
worry, I=E2=80=99ll put them back after we=E2=80=99re
finished.)=C2=A0 So the button you want to
click on is the Vote one.=C2=A0 Doing so will
show you a screen with all 215 games listed in their full ludopathic glory.=
=C2=A0 To the left of each game is a green button
that says =E2=80=9CAdd vote (10)=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 To vote for a
game, click on the button.=C2=A0 The button
will turn red and say =E2=80=9CRemove vote=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0
That shows that you voted for it.=C2=A0
Also note that all the other green buttons now have a (9) in
parentheses, to show that you only have nine votes left.=C2=A0 If you want =
to change your vote, just click
on a red button; it will change back to green and it, and all the other gre=
en
buttons, will have their parenthetical values increased by 1.=C2=A0 Once yo=
u=E2=80=99ve voted for 10 games, the text on
the other games will change to =E2=80=9Cvote limited=E2=80=9D and those but=
tons will be
disabled, keeping you from voting for an eleventh game.=C2=A0 The only way =
you can add a new game is by
removing your vote for one of the games you=E2=80=99d selected.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font=
-family:Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Aria=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font=
-family:Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Aria=
l,sans-serif;">That's
it.=C2=A0 There's no button to register your
final vote, because the system records your votes automatically as you vote=
for
games.=C2=A0 The app remembers your votes
after you leave the screen and/or logout.=C2=A0
When you return to the application, you'll see all the choices you'=
ve
previously made.=C2=A0 Because there's no
formal way to finalize your vote, make sure you're happy with the selec=
tions on
the screen before the voting deadline comes and I shut down the voting.</sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font=
-family:Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Aria=
l,sans-serif;">=C2=A0</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font=
-family:Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Aria=
l,sans-serif;">There=E2=80=99s
one other thing to consider.=C2=A0 At the top
of the voting page, there=E2=80=99s a statement about the voting preference=
you set
last year.=C2=A0 It states whether or not you
want to let other users see how you voted.=C2=A0
If you=E2=80=99re happy with the preference listed, just ignore it.=C2=A0 I=
f you want to change your preference, or you
haven=E2=80=99t set it earlier (maybe this is your first year voting), clic=
k on the
=E2=80=9CChange this=E2=80=9D button.=C2=A0 Doing so will
cause your preference to toggle between letting your votes be public and
letting them be private.=C2=A0 Once all the
voting is over, we=E2=80=99ll be able to click on a game and see the userna=
mes of the
people who voted for it, but only among those who don=E2=80=99t mind lettin=
g their
votes be public.=C2=A0 That will let folks
check out how their fellow spielfrieks voted, while still honoring the priv=
acy
of those who would rather their votes remain secret.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font=
-family:Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Aria=
l,sans-serif;">=C2=A0</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font=
-family:Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Aria=
l,sans-serif;">I=E2=80=99ll give
everyone a week for the first round of voting, so sometime next Friday, I=
=E2=80=99ll
shut down the voting.=C2=A0 Then I=E2=80=99ll announce
what the nominated games are and we=E2=80=99ll continue with the final roun=
d of voting.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font=
-family:Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Aria=
l,sans-serif;">=C2=A0</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font=
-family:Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Aria=
l,sans-serif;">If there
are any questions about the application, just post them here.=C2=A0 Have fu=
n voting and let=E2=80=99s pick a great group
of nominated games!</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0i=
n 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;"><br></span></p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri=
,sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;">=
Larry</span></p></div>
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