Re: [taugh.com-johnl] Re: [taugh.com-johnl] Re: Problems with

On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 01:18:06PM -0500, John R Levine wrote:
> 
> All the corporate networks I know run the mail through a small number of
> gateway mail servers, so the situation is the same.


But maybe we should not design only for the networks you know?
How many do you know?


I know several networks where this is different, and I received lots
of comments to RMX from people with a different .







> > You seem to prefer to intentionally misunderstand everything you
> > don't like. "everyone will get a new MUA" is just nonsense.
> 
> Maybe my English isn't as good as yours but in my dialect, "Others will
> have to learn it" means that everyone using an MUAs other than the
> minority that display the envelope now will have to get new
> > versions.


English is not my first language, but to the best of my knowledge
"others" is not "everyone". And as far as I know the vast majority
of MUAs needed an update to fix security holes anyway within the last year.

Furthermore, you don't need to read any envelope. You need to read it
for Spam only. There are logfiles to do it. Or Received lines.



> That's nice.  Do you know any MTAs that display Received: lines by
> default?  I don't.

I don't need it "by default", I need it on request in case of spam.

Mozilla takes a mouse click, mutt takes a key press. If if you want,
you can configure mutt to display them by default. So what's the problem?




> 
> > > > - Spammer friendly domain resellers will certainly be blacklisted.
> > >
> > > They aren't now, and we know who they are.  Why will LMAP make any
> > > difference?
> >
> > Because until now it was impossible to do it. With LMAP it becomes
> > possible and feasible.  Even if you don't like it.
> 
> You are evidently using a very different Internet than the one that I am
> using.  Things that are impossible on your Internet are routine on the one
> the I use.


So please elaborate how to blacklist a spammer using dynamic DSL IP
addresses in the Internet you use...



Hadmut