Re: [Fwd: Re: CAP-12-a: Stored queries still?]

[email protected] wrote:
> 
> Doug responded on 09/04/2003 11:49:46 AM:
>  > > Since there is no way for any client ('fat' or 'thin') to create a
>  > > stored query that is really beneficial and reusable
>  >
>  > Your opinions presumes you speak for everyone, and you do not.
>  > If you do not find them useful, then speak for yourself.
> 
> I'm not the only one who have questioned this dubious feature.  At the 
> last IETF I was at everyone there questioned it for the exact reasons I 
> described.

I made no such claim. You clamed that only I supported it - not true.

> Had stored queries been able to achieve the original intent I would not 
> question them in CAP 1.0 but they do not remotely approach solving the 
> original intent and they put an implicit burden on ALL CSs so I question 
> their inclusion.

And what was the original intent?

> 
> I proposed that all references to stored queries be removed from CAP 
> 1.0.  Or perhaps you missed that in nearly all my other postings on the 
> subject.  
> 
>  > So what's your point? Do you want to propose that we add text
>  > saying "do not do something unless it is useful"?


> <FRUSTRATION SHOW=ON>
> Perhaps I should propose we get a co-editor who will pay attention to 
> postings on issues w/o trying to ignore or deflect them in an attempt to 
> get CAP 1.0 out the door ASAP.
> </FRUSTRATION>

Hint: A proposal suggests something, it is not a question :-)


> Proposal: We remove any and all references to stored queries in CAP 1.0. 
>  Anyone interested in extending CAP such that the original intent of 
> stored queries is achieved can do so in a later draft.

Thanks for a proposal. Did you notice that I was not the only
one that objects to it being removed - today?

Why do you want VQUERY to be the ONLY component that can not
be fetched or stored?

> 
>  > Your calculations (omitted) failed to calculate the fetching
>  > of the same query that you then send back to the CS.
> 
> Oh, so you think that the CUA is always going to retrieve the VQUERY 
> from the CS and then resend it back to the CS on any of those 
> commands?!?  Why? 

Because cell and small devices do not have a GUI to configure
what they want in the response.

>  > Remember Cell phones and PDAs do not have a user interface that allows
>  > the user to customize the queries. It gives the PDA and Cell phone
>  > companies the ability to modify the result sets.
> 
> Huh?  My cell phone has a built in calendar.  From there I can pick the 
> day to see entries on.  That's all that the CU needs to do to get data;

Yes, but what data is to be included? That is NOT configurable by your
cell phone. Stored queries allow a 2nd CUA to store queries that can
be used by the non-CUI CUAs. There has not been a requirement that
the same CUA store and fetch the same queries.


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