Re: AS3 Discusion - Abstract

Jesse Sightler <[email protected]> Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:50:39 -0500
Newsgroups gmane.ietf.ediint
Message-ID <[email protected]>
Hi Harry,

Instructions are at http://www.imc.org/ietf-ediint/index.html

Thanks,
Jess

[email protected] wrote:
> Mr. Moberg,
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> That's nice , I get a copy of my own message returned by
> "[email protected]".
> Perhaps that is where you should start looking .
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> Kind regards,
> Harry Bakker
> MOL Europe
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>              owner-ietf-ediint         "Dale Moberg"                       
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>              11-11-2005 09:10          [email protected],     
>                                        "Terry Harding"                     
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> Dear mr. Moberg,
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> My name is Harry Bakker of MOL Europe , the Netherlands/
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> For whatever reason I am receiving several messages regarding your " AS3
> discussion".
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> I already checked with my own mail administrator but we cannot trace what
> is causing
> the distribution of the messages to included myself.
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> Although I have no idea whether the information you are sending is
> confidential , I am sure
> it is not in the interest for both of us that I continue to receive these
> messages.
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> Thank you in advance for checking with your mail administrator what could
> be the cause.
>
> Kind regards,
> Harry Bakker
> Manager European EDI
> MOL Europe
> mail:[email protected]
> tel : +31 10 2013 111
> fax: +31 10 2013 196
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> Postal address:
> MOL (EUROPE) B.V.
> Hofhoek 7
> 3176 PD
> Poortugaal
> The Netherlands
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>              "Dale Moberg"
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>              Sent by:                  "Terry Harding"
>              owner-ietf-ediint         <[email protected]>,
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>              10-11-2005 18:00                                      Subject
>                                        RE: AS3 Discusion - Abstract
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> I am attaching some editorial changes that need to be made prior to
> submission of the draft (however it is administratively handled)
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> The idnits tools at
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> http://tools.ietf.org/tools/idnits/idnits.pyht
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> is useful for editorial checks on Internet-Drafts.
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>   Checking nits according to http://www.ietf.org/ID-Checklist.html:
>   * The document seems to lack an IANA Considerations section.
>   * The document seems to lack separate sections for
> Informative/Normative
>     References.
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>       [Claims RFC 2026 conformance...]
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>   * Looks like you're using RFC 2026 boilerplate. Better change to RFC
>     3978/3979.
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>   Checking nits according to
> http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-guidelines.txt:
>     Nothing found here (but these checks do not cover all of
>     1id-guidelines.txt yet).
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> Also the tools complains about line length and weird spacing numerous
> times.
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> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(58): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are ']'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(60): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '6'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(76): Line has weird spacing: '... and
> be  clear...'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(119): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are ']'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(121): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '6'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(180): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are ']'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(182): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '6'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(241): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are ']'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(243): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '6'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(299): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'e'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(302): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are ']'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(304): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '6'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(363): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are ']'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(365): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '6'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(380): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'y'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(403): Line has weird spacing:
> '...quested  howev...'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(404): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'h'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(415): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'E'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(424): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are ']'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(426): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '6'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(454): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'r'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(485): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are ']'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(487): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '6'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(522): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are ')'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(527): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '].'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(529): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'ge'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(540): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'n'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(546): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are ']'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(548): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '6'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(607): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '0]'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(609): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '6'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(631): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'er'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(668): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '1]'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(670): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '6'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(683): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'd'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(689): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'ue'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(707): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'f'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(709): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'n'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(712): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'on'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(718): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 's'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(720): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'ta'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(729): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '2]'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(731): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '6'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(761): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'he'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(790): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '3]'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(792): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '6'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(826): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 't'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(837): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'e'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(842): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'ed'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(851): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '4]'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(853): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '6'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(856): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'g'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(881): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'n'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(898): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'y'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(912): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '5]'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(914): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '6'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(937): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'ce'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(938): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'd'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(944): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'e'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(945): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'is'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(949): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'ed'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(955): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'ed'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(958): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'at'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(965): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'e'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(973): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '6]'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(975): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '6'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(977): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'DN'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1019): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 's:'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1021): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'd'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1034): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '7]'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1036): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '6'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1040): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '8'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1044): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'a'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1047): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '.'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1050): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'e'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1051): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '.'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1053): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'e'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1059): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 's'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1065): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'n'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1071): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'e'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1075): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'e'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1076): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'l'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1080): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'e'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1085): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'y'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1088): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 't'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1095): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '8]'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1097): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '6'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1156): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '9]'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1158): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '6'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1163): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'e'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1207): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are ']'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1217): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '0]'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1219): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '6'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1261): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'r.'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1278): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '1]'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1280): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '6'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1334): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'is'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1337): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'ir'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1339): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '2]'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1341): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '6'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1355): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'ct'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1374): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'r.'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1400): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '3]'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1402): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '6'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1461): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '4]'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1463): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '6'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1522): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '5]'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1524): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '6'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1545): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'n'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1546): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 't'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1568): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'n'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1583): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '6]'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1585): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '6'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1593): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'e'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1597): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'g'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1604): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'y'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1623): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '.'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1633): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'e'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1634): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'e'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1635): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'ng'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1636): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'nd'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1644): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '7]'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1646): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '6'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1695): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'e'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1699): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 's'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1701): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '95'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1705): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '8]'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1707): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '6'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1766): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '9]'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1768): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '6'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1827): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '0]'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1829): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '6'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1848): Line has weird spacing: '...ed
> with  proto...'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1852): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'e'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1858): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are 'f'
> tmp/draft-ietf-ediint-AS3-04.txt(1864): Line is too long: the offending
> characters are '1]'
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Terry Harding
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 10:42 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: AS3 Discusion - Abstract
>
>
> Since the AS3 document has been discussed extensively off this list, I
> will be submitting each individual section of the document for review
> and comments.
>
> Please forward any suggestions of changes to the list.
>
>
> *****************************
> Abstract
>
>   This Applicability Statement (AS) describes how to exchange structured
>   business data securely using the File Transfer Protocol (FTP) for XML,
>   Binary, Electronic Data Interchange (EDI - ANSI X12 or UN/EDIFACT), or
>   other data used for business-to-business data interchange for which
>   MIME packaging can be accomplished using standard MIME content-types.
>   Authentication and data confidentiality are obtained by using
>   Cryptographic Message Syntax (S/MIME) security body parts.
>   Authenticated acknowledgements employ multipart/signed replies to the
>   original message.
>
> ******************************
>
> Thanks
>
> Terry Harding
> Cyclone Commerce Inc.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Scott Hollenbeck
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 10:13 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Moving AS3 forward.
>
>
> Speaking as your Area Director, and referencing this message:
>
> http://www.imc.org/ietf-ediint/mail-archive/msg01777.html
>
> I am glad to finally see some discussion on this mailing list.  However,
> you
> all need to be aware that simple statements of "I support moving this
> forward" aren't sufficient to develop standards in the IETF.  You need
> to
> actually do the design work on this working group mailing list, too!
>
> I was encouraged to see the message from Guillaume Colombier describing
> a
> potential technical issue.  Whether or not this document moves forward
> depends on how you all deal with comments like that one.  If you discuss
> it
> here and decide on a solution here I may consider a working group
> request
> for publication as a proposed standard.  If nothing happens here I can
> tell
> you right now that I will not support a request to publish AS3 as a
> Proposed
> Standard.  The best I will be able to do is to consider publication as
> an
> Informational RFC documenting the work of some organization that took
> place
> outside the IETF.
>
> Remember, IETF standards MUST be developed in the IETF.
>
> -Scott-
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