Re: I STRONGLY OPPOSE ipv8 proposal.

On 19-Apr-26 22:49, Bless, Roland (TM) wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> this (and the I-D) reads to me as if someone's AI agent/Openclaw bot has
> targeted the IETF.
> 
> Any hints that's a real person behind this account?

You could ask the same question about draft-hause-asip. I asked ChatGPT what it thought, and the summary is:

"My probability estimate:

Human-written: 40–60%
AI-assisted (editing or drafting): 30–50%
Fully AI-generated: 10–20%

In other words: likely AI-assisted, but not obviously fully AI-generated."

As a control, I asked ChatGTP to check draft-omar-ipv10 and its summary is:

"My probability estimate:

Human-written: 85–95%
AI-assisted: 5–15%
Fully AI-generated: ~0%

Bottom line:
This draft is almost certainly human-written, and very unlikely to involve AI.

This makes it a useful control case — it looks very different from modern AI-assisted drafts."

And finally, for draft-thain-ipv8-00:

"My probability estimate:

AI-assisted: 60–80%
Human-written: 20–40%
Fully AI-generated: 20–30%

Bottom line:
This draft is very likely AI-assisted, and possibly heavily AI-generated.

This is significantly stronger AI signals than either:

draft-hause-asip-00
draft-omar-ipv10-00"

Full analysis at https://chatgpt.com/share/69e53c52-2ea0-8321-8938-7f4994cd89d1
It is worth reading; among other things, note the line
"This pattern is increasingly common in 2025–2026 IETF drafts."

    Brian

> 
> Regards,
>    Roland
> 
> On 17.04.26 at 18:20 Jamie Thain wrote:
>> Sotrdg,
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>> Thank you for your words. The goal is not to deprecate ipv6. I believe
>> most of the mobile carriers will continue to use their ipv6 infrastructure.
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>> IPv8 is meant to fix the management issues in ipv4.
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>> It's to fix the global address structure.
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>> Ipv6 can be as easily intercepted and blocked as can ipv4. So it's not
>> the protocol allowing you access. It is the lack of implementation.
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>> When ipv6 grows to a meaningful level, China will add it to the great Wall.
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>> So with that said, ipv8 is not a social political issue, it's a
>> technical issue.
>>
>> Jamie
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>> On Fri., Apr. 17, 2026, 1:01 p.m. sotrdg sotrdg, <[email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
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>>      1. IPv8 makes Governments across the globe much easier to block IP
>>      and censor internet. I am from China and i use ipv6 to bypass the
>>      great firewall. ipv8 makes this much easier to block since it reuses
>>      existing ipv4 (which is blocked for sure) and its address space is
>>      very small. this ipv8 proposal is just another attempt of big tech
>>      and governments around the world tries to kill open internet.
>>
>>      2. Implementing ipv8 means deprecating ipv6 which is a huge problem.
>>        it is not really solving anything
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>>      3. it is not easy to implement ipv8 at all. Android OEMs locks down
>>      bootloaders and not mentioning routers too. That means billions of
>>      devices immediately e-waste since they will not get updated to
>>      support ipv8. It is just another N+1 problem.
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>>      4. ipv8's address space is WAY too small. 2^64 may be enough for
>>      representing a machine but it does not count things like virtual
>>      machines which might use tons of ip addresses for a very good reason.
>>
>>      5. To say ipv6 is not adopted is very untrue since i am using ipv6
>>      every day to bypass internet censorship. All my traffic, even this
>>      email comes from ipv6. this is just completely bs proposal
>>
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