Re: [Tools-discuss] Deb/IESG: Re: [Last-Call] Warning and removal of message

On this matter, I largely agree with Toerless. Messages sent to the IETF
lists, even inappropriate ones, are part of the record of our process.

While may be contexts in which the IETF is required to remove messages from
its archives, this does not seem to be such a case.

-Ekr



On Tue, May 19, 2026 at 7:59 AM Toerless Eckert <[email protected]> wrote:

> Dear Deb, IESG
>
> For matters of full historical transparency i would really like to see
> those "redacted"
> messages not be completely eliminated, but instead moved to some
> "quarantine" mail archive
> location, so people who want to make their own judgements can do so. And
> for example
> only an email like what you sent here could contain a pointer to such a
> redacted message,
> and i wouldn't need to be otherwise searchable.
>
> As an example of who and when someone would want to make a judgement:
> I for once would likely be interested to inform myself about such cases if
> i was in
> Nomcom and wanted to get an idea who folks running for re-election are
> doing their job.
>
> Standard disclaimer: This suggestion is of course NOT meant for cases,
> where legal
> reasons would make this transparent archiving inadvisable.
> of cour
>
> Cheers
>     Toerless
>
> P.S.: Please don't take this in any shape or form as having an opinion
> about the
> decision one way or another, this is purely about the described process
> detail.
>
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2026 at 10:37:48AM -0400, Deb Cooley wrote:
> >  This is an official warning to Soatok Dreamseeker per RFC 3934 Section 2
> > [0], regarding the message sent in reply to
> > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/YuPYdAeSRJkSkfPZsVxGtbLwAb4/
> > (also sent to the last-call list).  The content of this message is
> > disruptive to both the TLS working group progress and IETF Last Call
> > progress.
> >
> > In addition to this warning, the message will be hidden from the mail
> > archive for TLS and last-call.
> >
> > Deb Cooley
> > Security AD
> >
> > [0] https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3934.html#section-2
>
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