Re: [Bier] WGLC : draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-07.txt

Tony Przygienda <[email protected]> Thu, 15 Feb 2018 08:25:19 -0800
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Under 8-bit artistic license granted by Acee herewith ;-)

First, I want to emphasize that this is IETF LC (called by Greg as
shepherding WG chair) which means chairs have no further function so we all
can only speak as individuals only .

2nd, I oppose any suggestion to align any kind of SR registry with BAR
registry using 8 bits on couple of very simple grounds that my
co-participants may have missed

a)       No IGP or SR working group has any charter to mandate any of the
BIER technology so as well-meant the suggestion seems to be, it has no
standing in IETF working procedures as far as I can see unless according
charters are extended by ADs. Unless I'm missing something here.
b)       More as a question: Can we even publish an RFC now (experimental)
pointing to an SR draft as normative? And if, how do we move it to intended
standards track unless SR draft is a standards RFC?
c)       Probably most importantly, technically, In case any of the SR
computations starts to rely on elements advertised in SR to perform the
computations, deployment of BIER will precondition deployment of SR in the
network. Worse, if we need computation that needs BIER specific elements in
its course, that would mean we have SR becoming aware of a multicast
technology underneath. Unicast computations are simply not multicast
computations longer-term  (and I had discussions about couple such cases
already). Having multicast specific elements being considered in unicast
computations and multicast computations being "standardized" in unicast
computations couples everything with everything again known as the
big-ball-of-yarn (unless THAT is the intention). In long experience things
like this are simply a very bad architecture (TM ;-).

3rd, I thought about the issues involved in BAR probably longer than anyone
on the list here (remember Tree ID ;-) and I have a meta issue to make and
then a finer one

a)      Independent of whether we end up with 8 or 16 bits I think we need
a firm BIER BAR registry in place here (expert review?) and some document
to gather the BAR ideas. Sooner the better. Ideas as in this thread are
coming in it would be good to channelize them to prevent codepoint
squatting or replicated effort. In fact we have a draft we circulated and
we decided to push out today to give a strawman framework to the discussed
use-cases. Granted, only the new charter (if given to us) would allow this
work to be adopted but it=E2=80=99s good to have a vessel to contain the id=
eas
already IMO. So check the new-publication queue ;-)
b)      Then, if we consider BAR as purely =E2=80=9Cspecial BIER nexthop
computation=E2=80=9D 8 bits sounds plenty but never underestimate new techn=
ology to
stretch artistic boundaries and ideas you see here ;-) So if we think e.g.
about things like the above mentioned
draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-15 proposal playing a role one
could imagine that the =E2=80=9CSR algorithm registry=E2=80=9D specifies an=
 algorithm that
BAR registry likes to use as well 1:1. Simple, we just allocate a BIER BAR
codepoint that is mapped (or even same) to the SR UCAST codepoint in this
case (well, let discussion whether we would have the charter to do that or
go ask for permission in SPRING outstanding for now). And that could be
done of course via a TLV as well by using a single =E2=80=9CBAR # meaning i=
t=E2=80=99s an
SR algorithm=E2=80=9D and then a BIER sub-tlv saying which one of those. Bu=
t things
get finer. Let=E2=80=99s say we use a BAR=3D1 as BIER computation saying =
=E2=80=9Cavoid all
non-BIER routers=E2=80=9D. Now, that=E2=80=99s cool but maybe SR defined an=
 algorithm we
want to use on top as in =E2=80=9Ccompute SPF with enough bandwidth=E2=80=
=9D. For that
could have a funky TLV saying =E2=80=9Cany BAR computation should stack thi=
s SR
computation on top=E2=80=9D but it would be then way more elegant to have a=
 16 bit
with 8bit BAR from registry and then 8 bits of some context (in this
example SR computation# to be stacked on top of the necessary BAR
computation). Yes, that would precondition in such case simultaneous BIER
and SR deployment but since then no technology forces mandatory use of
another it=E2=80=99s flexible, open and nicely smelling. I hope at least so=
me
people could follow that and old IGP hands will see that this is actually
as efficient in terms of actual implementation as a single set of
constraints despite seeming complex.

I won=E2=80=99t stretch my artistic license further than 16 bits albeit the=
re are
even more interesting ideas I saw that would blow through this ;-) I
probably owe Acee a beer in London already as it is.

So, in shorter form for the non-IGP cracks, I think 8 bits looks good but I
see how 16 could have an elegance to channelize some of the suggestions
(and get a "goldilocks solution"), if we e.g. decide to =E2=80=9Cstack algo=
rithmic
constraints from multiple technologies optionally on top of each other,
each with its own registry that can refer to another=E2=80=9D. This would
accommodate also the proposal extended by Ice in a simple, clean, loosely
coupled way by having 16 bits, *first 8 bits as BIER type being a BIER BAR
registry and 8 bits after that being =E2=80=9Copen=E2=80=9D so e.g. being S=
R unicast
registry number*.

I do also think that if we get to such a consensus, adding text introducing
test adding a BAR type/BAR subtype 16-bits field with a BAR type BIER
registry into the documents is just a bit of text ...

As  I said, our draft will follow later today since some co-authors are in
funky timezones ;-) =E2=80=A6

--- tony

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 6:46 AM, Eric C Rosen <[email protected]> wrote:

> Ice's reasoning makes sense to me.
>
>
> On 2/15/2018 3:11 AM, IJsbrand Wijnands (iwijnand) wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I support 16 bits because of the following reasons.
>
> For me it would make sense to align the Algorithm value to the "IGP
> Algorithm" registry. This registry is defined in: https://tools.ietf.org/
> html/draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions-24#section-8.5
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__tools.ietf.org_ht=
ml_draft-2Dietf-2Dospf-2Dsegment-2Drouting-2Dextensions-2D24-23section-2D8.=
5&d=3DDwMGaQ&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3D-DXB84eU9m=
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>
> In my opinion, this is going to cover 90% of the use-cases because BIER i=
s
> defined to run over a unicast underlay, so what ever is done for Unicast,
> it will work for BIER automatically (like Flex Algo), and avoids to
> duplicate registries. However, this registry is also 8 bits. That means
> there is no room for anything else and I already know there are different
> options about this.
>
> To avoid an other long debate/fight over these 8 bits, lets get more bits
> now so we don't corner our selfs. Its a minor change to the draft.
>
> Lets not start a debate now on how BAR is used, as I'm sure we will not
> reach agreement  in time and we're gonna delay the IGP drafts. We can sta=
rt
> a discussion after the IGP draft are through and what all the use-cases a=
re
> we need to cover. I already look forward to those discussions :-)
>
> Thx,
>
> Ice.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 15 Feb 2018, at 07:24, Jeff Tantsura <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> +1
>
> I=E2=80=99d really like to see justification for anything larger than 8 b=
its.
>
> Regards,
> Jeff
>
> On Feb 14, 2018, at 18:30, Acee Lindem (acee) <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> I agree. As a point of reference, we've only have defined two IGP
> algorithms so far and the segment routing draft dates back about 4 years.
>
>
> https://www.iana.org/assignments/igp-parameters/igp-parameters.xhtml#igp-
> algorithm-types
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.iana.org_assi=
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>
> Even with more artistic freedom afforded to multicast,  I still believe
> 256 standard algorithms are enough.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Acee
>
>
> =EF=BB=BFOn 2/14/18, 9:15 PM, "BIER on behalf of Dolganow, Andrew (Nokia =
-
> SG/Singapore)" <[email protected] on behalf of
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>   Guys,
>
>
>   I would think 8 bits are sufficient. Others (like SegRtg mentioned belo=
w
> also use 8). 8 bits gives us tons of room to grow - especially since we
> have only a single value defined currently (SFP 0). If we have clear use
> cases that show us running out of 8 bits or getting close to that we
> can/should discuss and evaluate extensions in light of that but increasin=
g
> the space "just in case" is not a prudent way to go.
>
>
>   Andrew
>
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>
>   From: BIER <[email protected]> on behalf of Xiejingrong <
> [email protected]>
>
>   Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 5:06 PM
>
>   To: Arkadiy Gulko <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <
> [email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>
>   Subject: Re: [Bier] WGLC : draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-07.txt
>
>
>       Hi Arkadiy,
>
>
>       I checked the latest <draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions-24=
>
> and <draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-15> for reference and
> comparing, and they both use a 8 bits Algorithm.
>
>       One of the description: "Algorithm: Single octet identifying the
> algorithm."
>
>
>       Interesting to use more than 8 bits for BIER's future flexibility :=
-)
>
>
>       Regards,
>
>       XieJingrong
>
>
>
>       -----Original Message-----
>
>       From: BIER [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>]
> On Behalf Of [email protected]
>
>       Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:42 AM
>
>       To: [email protected]; [email protected]
>
>       Subject: [Bier] WGLC : draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-07.txt
>
>
>       Hello Working Group,
>
>       After initial discussions between multiple participants of the
> working group, we consolidated that BIER's future flexibility would be we=
ll
> served if we extend the IGP signaling BAR field to 16 bits. We are
> currently reviewing various use-cases that can greatly benefit from this
> enhancement.
>
>       I would appreciate if the proposed change could be considered as
> part of IETF Last Call review.
>
>       Thanks,
>
>       Arkadiy
>
>
>
>       -----Original Message-----
>
>       From: BIER [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>]
> On Behalf Of [email protected]
>
>       Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 5:11 PM
>
>       To: [email protected]
>
>       Cc: [email protected]
>
>       Subject: [Bier] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-07.txt
>
>
>
>       A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> directories.
>
>       This draft is a work item of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication W=
G
> of the IETF.
>
>
>               Title           : BIER support via ISIS
>
>               Authors         : Les Ginsberg
>
>                                 Tony Przygienda
>
>                                 Sam Aldrin
>
>                                 Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
>
>           Filename        : draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-07.txt
>
>           Pages           : 10
>
>           Date            : 2018-02-09
>
>
>       Abstract:
>
>          Specification of an ISIS extension to support BIER domains and
> sub-
>
>          domains.
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Under 8-bit artistic license granted by Acee herewith=
 ;-)<br>=C2=A0<br>First, I want to emphasize that this is IETF LC (called b=
y Greg as shepherding WG chair) which means chairs have no further function=
 so we all can only speak as individuals only .<br>=C2=A0<br>2nd, I oppose =
any suggestion to align any kind of SR registry with BAR registry using 8 b=
its on couple of very simple grounds that my co-participants may have misse=
d<br>=C2=A0<br>a)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 No IGP or SR working =
group has any charter to mandate any of the BIER technology so as well-mean=
t the suggestion seems to be, it has no standing in IETF working procedures=
 as far as I can see unless according charters are extended by ADs. Unless =
I&#39;m missing something here. <br>b)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
More as a question: Can we even publish an RFC now (experimental) pointing =
to an SR draft as normative? And if, how do we move it to intended standard=
s track unless SR draft is a standards RFC? <br>c)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 Probably most importantly, technically, In case any of the SR =
computations starts to rely on elements advertised in SR to perform the com=
putations, deployment of BIER will precondition deployment of SR in the net=
work. Worse, if we need computation that needs BIER specific elements in it=
s course, that would mean we have SR becoming aware of a multicast technolo=
gy underneath. Unicast computations are simply not multicast computations l=
onger-term=C2=A0 (and I had discussions about couple such cases already). H=
aving multicast specific elements being considered in unicast computations =
and multicast computations being &quot;standardized&quot; in unicast comput=
ations couples everything with everything again known as the big-ball-of-ya=
rn (unless THAT is the intention). In long experience things like this are =
simply a very bad architecture (TM ;-).<br>=C2=A0<br>3rd, I thought about t=
he issues involved in BAR probably longer than anyone on the list here (rem=
ember Tree ID ;-) and I have a meta issue to make and then a finer one<br>=
=C2=A0<br>a)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Independent of whether we end up=
 with 8 or 16 bits I think we need a firm BIER BAR registry in place here (=
expert review?) and some document to gather the BAR ideas. Sooner the bette=
r. Ideas as in this thread are coming in it would be good to channelize the=
m to prevent codepoint squatting or replicated effort. In fact we have a dr=
aft we circulated and we decided to push out today to give a strawman frame=
work to the discussed use-cases. Granted, only the new charter (if given to=
 us) would allow this work to be adopted but it=E2=80=99s good to have a ve=
ssel to contain the ideas already IMO. So check the new-publication queue ;=
-)=C2=A0=C2=A0 <br>b)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Then, if we consider BA=
R as purely =E2=80=9Cspecial BIER nexthop computation=E2=80=9D 8 bits sound=
s plenty but never underestimate new technology to stretch artistic boundar=
ies and ideas you see here ;-) So if we think e.g. about things like the ab=
ove mentioned draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-15 proposal playin=
g a role one could imagine that the =E2=80=9CSR algorithm registry=E2=80=9D=
 specifies an algorithm that BAR registry likes to use as well 1:1. Simple,=
 we just allocate a BIER BAR codepoint that is mapped (or even same) to the=
 SR UCAST codepoint in this case (well, let discussion whether we would hav=
e the charter to do that or go ask for permission in SPRING outstanding for=
 now). And that could be done of course via a TLV as well by using a single=
 =E2=80=9CBAR # meaning it=E2=80=99s an SR algorithm=E2=80=9D and then a BI=
ER sub-tlv saying which one of those. But things get finer. Let=E2=80=99s s=
ay we use a BAR=3D1 as BIER computation saying =E2=80=9Cavoid all non-BIER =
routers=E2=80=9D. Now, that=E2=80=99s cool but maybe SR defined an algorith=
m we want to use on top as in =E2=80=9Ccompute SPF with enough bandwidth=E2=
=80=9D. For that could have a funky TLV saying =E2=80=9Cany BAR computation=
 should stack this SR computation on top=E2=80=9D but it would be then way =
more elegant to have a 16 bit with 8bit BAR from registry and then 8 bits o=
f some context (in this example SR computation# to be stacked on top of the=
 necessary BAR computation). Yes, that would precondition in such case simu=
ltaneous BIER and SR deployment but since then no technology forces mandato=
ry use of another it=E2=80=99s flexible, open and nicely smelling. I hope a=
t least some people could follow that and old IGP hands will see that this =
is actually as efficient in terms of actual implementation as a single set =
of constraints despite seeming complex.=C2=A0 <br>=C2=A0<br>I won=E2=80=99t=
 stretch my artistic license further than 16 bits albeit there are even mor=
e interesting ideas I saw that would blow through this ;-) I probably owe A=
cee a beer in London already as it is.=C2=A0 <br>=C2=A0<br>So, in shorter f=
orm for the non-IGP cracks, I think 8 bits looks good but I see how 16 coul=
d have an elegance to channelize some of the suggestions (and get a &quot;g=
oldilocks solution&quot;), if we e.g. decide to =E2=80=9Cstack algorithmic =
constraints from multiple technologies optionally on top of each other, eac=
h with its own registry that can refer to another=E2=80=9D. This would acco=
mmodate also the proposal extended by Ice in a simple, clean, loosely coupl=
ed way by having 16 bits, <b>first 8 bits as BIER type being a BIER BAR reg=
istry and 8 bits after that being =E2=80=9Copen=E2=80=9D so e.g. being SR u=
nicast registry number</b>.<br><br></div>I do also think that if we get to =
such a consensus, adding text introducing test adding a BAR type/BAR subtyp=
e 16-bits field with a BAR type BIER registry into the documents is just a =
bit of text ... <br><div>=C2=A0<br>As=C2=A0 I said, our draft will follow l=
ater today since some co-authors are in funky timezones ;-) =E2=80=A6=C2=A0=
 <br>=C2=A0<br>--- tony<br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 6:46 AM, Eric C Rosen <span d=
ir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">eros=
[email protected]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
    Ice&#39;s reasoning makes sense to me.<div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
    <br>
    <div class=3D"m_3750865531999494430moz-cite-prefix">On 2/15/2018 3:11 A=
M, IJsbrand Wijnands
      (iwijnand) wrote:<br>
    </div>
    </div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div class=3D"h5">
     =20
      <div>Hi Folks,</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>I support 16 bits because of the following reasons.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>For me it would make sense to align the Algorithm value to
        the &quot;IGP Algorithm&quot; registry. This registry is defined in=
:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__to=
ols.ietf.org_html_draft-2Dietf-2Dospf-2Dsegment-2Drouting-2Dextensions-2D24=
-23section-2D8.5&amp;d=3DDwMGaQ&amp;c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voD=
TXcWzoCI&amp;r=3D-DXB84eU9m4cIlq2OOcCJCQQAwJXQQswyu3F0kG0VNo&amp;m=3DIpRPsL=
KtgfyfQk0dyhyVNsVupKQyUKWP_faic5jyDyo&amp;s=3DwFHQGdbIofGfam7tl7rnRjckYdcPp=
1WR-BqnaNE1mV8&amp;e=3D" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/<wbr>html=
/draft-ietf-ospf-segment-<wbr>routing-extensions-24#section-<wbr>8.5</a>=C2=
=A0</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>In my opinion, this is going to cover 90% of the use-cases
        because BIER is defined to run over a unicast underlay, so what
        ever is done for Unicast, it will work for BIER automatically
        (like Flex Algo), and avoids to duplicate registries. However,
        this registry is also 8 bits. That means there is no room for
        anything else and I already know there are different options
        about this.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>To avoid an other long debate/fight over these 8 bits, lets
        get more bits now so we don&#39;t corner our selfs. Its a minor
        change to the draft.</div>
      <div><br>
        Lets not start a debate now on how BAR is used, as I&#39;m sure we
        will not reach agreement =C2=A0in time and we&#39;re gonna delay th=
e IGP
        drafts. We can start a discussion after the IGP draft are
        through and what all the use-cases are we need to cover. I
        already look forward to those discussions :-)<br>
        <br>
        Thx,</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Ice.<br>
        <br>
        <div>Sent from my iPad</div>
      </div>
      <div><br>
        On 15 Feb 2018, at 07:24, Jeff Tantsura &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jefft=
[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;
        wrote:<br>
        <br>
      </div>
      <blockquote type=3D"cite">
        <div><span>+1</span><br>
          <span></span><br>
          <span>I=E2=80=99d really like to see justification for anything l=
arger
            than 8 bits.</span><br>
          <span></span><br>
          <span>Regards,</span><br>
          <span>Jeff</span><br>
          <span></span><br>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>On Feb 14, 2018, at 18:30, Acee
              Lindem (acee) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>I agree. As a point of
              reference, we&#39;ve only have defined two IGP algorithms so
              far and the segment routing draft dates back about 4
              years.
            </span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span><a href=3D"https://urldefense.pro=
ofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.iana.org_assignments_igp-2Dparameters_=
igp-2Dparameters.xhtml-23igp-2Dalgorithm-2Dtypes&amp;d=3DDwMGaQ&amp;c=3DHAk=
Yuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&amp;r=3D-DXB84eU9m4cIlq2OOcCJCQQAw=
JXQQswyu3F0kG0VNo&amp;m=3DIpRPsLKtgfyfQk0dyhyVNsVupKQyUKWP_faic5jyDyo&amp;s=
=3D5yaJPFqWpr5V5oBQ4O7o779WCOla79NlPw5FEfmRAUY&amp;e=3D" target=3D"_blank">=
https://www.iana.org/<wbr>assignments/igp-parameters/<wbr>igp-parameters.xh=
tml#igp-<wbr>algorithm-types</a></span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Even with more artistic freedom
              afforded to multicast, =C2=A0I still believe 256 standard
              algorithms are enough.
            </span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Thanks,</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Acee </span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=EF=BB=BFOn 2/14/18, 9:15 PM, &qu=
ot;BIER on
              behalf of Dolganow, Andrew (Nokia - SG/Singapore)&quot; &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">bier-bounces@ietf=
.org</a> on
              behalf of
              <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank=
">[email protected]</a>&gt;
              wrote:</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0Guys,</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0I would think 8 bits =
are
              sufficient. Others (like SegRtg mentioned below also use
              8). 8 bits gives us tons of room to grow - especially
              since we have only a single value defined currently (SFP
              0). If we have clear use cases that show us running out of
              8 bits or getting close to that we can/should discuss and
              evaluate extensions in light of that but increasing the
              space &quot;just in case&quot; is not a prudent way to go.</s=
pan><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0Andrew</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0-----Original Message=
-----</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0From: BIER &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]<=
/a>&gt; on
              behalf of Xiejingrong &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:xiejingrong@huawe=
i.com" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0Date: Wednesday, Febr=
uary 14,
              2018 at 5:06 PM</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0To: Arkadiy Gulko &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">arka=
diy.gulko@thomsonreuters.<wbr>com</a>&gt;,
              &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">bier=
@ietf.org</a>&quot;
              &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">bier@i=
etf.org</a>&gt;,
              &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">i=
[email protected]</a>&quot;
              &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">isi=
[email protected]</a>&gt;</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0Subject: Re: [Bier] W=
GLC :
              draft-ietf-bier-isis-<wbr>extensions-07.txt</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0Hi Arkadiy,</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0I checked the latest
              &lt;draft-ietf-ospf-segment-<wbr>routing-extensions-24&gt; an=
d
              &lt;draft-ietf-isis-segment-<wbr>routing-extensions-15&gt; fo=
r
              reference and comparing, and they both use a 8 bits
              Algorithm.</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0One of the description:
              &quot;Algorithm: Single octet identifying the algorithm.&quot=
;</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0Interesting to use more
              than 8 bits for BIER&#39;s future flexibility :-)</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0Regards,</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0XieJingrong</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0-----Original Message-----</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0From: BIER [<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">m=
ailto:[email protected]</a>]
              On Behalf Of
              <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D=
"_blank">arkadiy.gulko@thomsonreuters.<wbr>com</a></span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0Sent: Wednesday, February
              14, 2018 8:42 AM</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>=
;
              <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">isis-wg=
@ietf.org</a></span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0Subject: [Bier] WGLC :
              draft-ietf-bier-isis-<wbr>extensions-07.txt</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0Hello Working Group,</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0After initial discussions
              between multiple participants of the working group, we
              consolidated that BIER&#39;s future flexibility would be well
              served if we extend the IGP signaling BAR field to 16
              bits. We are currently reviewing various use-cases that
              can greatly benefit from this enhancement.</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0I would appreciate if the
              proposed change could be considered as part of IETF Last
              Call review.</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0Thanks,</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0Arkadiy</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0-----Original Message-----</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0From: BIER [<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">m=
ailto:[email protected]</a>]
              On Behalf Of
              <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank"=
>[email protected]</a></span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0Sent: Friday, February 09,
              2018 5:11 PM</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">i-d-annou=
[email protected]</a></span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>=
</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0Subject: [Bier] I-D
              Action: draft-ietf-bier-isis-<wbr>extensions-07.txt</span><br=
>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0A New Internet-Draft is
              available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.</span=
><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0This draft is a work item
              of the Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG of the IETF.</span=
><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span></span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Title =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0:
              BIER support via ISIS</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Authors =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0:
              Les Ginsberg</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<wb=
r>=C2=A0=C2=A0Tony
              Przygienda</span><br>
          </blockquote>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
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=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Specification of an
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