Re: Language Subtag Registration

Repeating from 2005:
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf-languages/9nzQ2puMCjfeBOY1vG8QPx6II0A

More seriously:

There is already a mechanism in BCP47 to specific down to the US state
level, eg en-US-u-sd-uspa means "English as spoken in Pennsylvania". That
works the same way as en-NZ  means "English as spoken in New Zealand".

(The sd codes use ISO subdivisions, so they are more or less fine-grained
according to whatever is in ISO. The code en-GB-u-sd-gbsct means "English
as spoken in Scotland" for example, while en-GB-u-sd-gbglg means "English
as spoken in Glasgow", and en-IE-u-sd-ielk means English as spoken
in Limerick.)

If people were actually serious about 'philly', and the state level were
insufficient, it would be time to get out of the business of encoding every
city in the world, and just come up with a general geographic mechanism so
that the registry is not burdened with an arbitrary hodgepodge of
geographic entities.

Eg
"en-u-xx-USPHL" — UNLOC code for Philadelphia (
https://service.unece.org/trade/locode/us.htm)
"en-u-xx-87F6XR2P" — pluscode for Philadelphia (https://plus.codes/87F6XR2P+
"en-u-xx-PHL" — Airport code.
or ...

Now, I doubt that any significant number of people would use these codes,
much as I doubt that any significant number of people would use en-philly.
But allows those who truly need something a mechanism for expressing it,
without

Mark


On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 9:20 PM Nicholas Felker <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Unlike the case of one's cousin speaking a bit oddly or an informal
> accent, there are actually a number of scholarly analyses of Philadelphia
> English, such as Professor William Labov who has written a number of
> linguistic books and commenting on the dialect of Philadelphia.
>
> -Nick
>
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 1:01 PM Doug Ewell <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> CE Whitehead wrote:
>>
>> > eventually I suppose we will get subtags for all dialects
>>
>> I don't see any basis for supposing that. Even if it were possible to
>> define and identify "all dialects," and practical to characterize and
>> exemplify them, a case would still have to be made for the utility of
>> each such subtag for tagging content.
>>
>> > there is yet no subtag for English as spoken in Brooklyn or New York
>> > but some dialects such as New Foundland do have subtags.
>>
>> Newfoundland English differs in more than just accent and a limited set
>> of regional terms. As the references cited by the registration form
>> showed, there are grammatical differences as well.
>>
>> > I do think that the accents though vary with city location
>>
>> It's almost never just about accents, and shouldn't be really. Once you
>> get past a handful of very well-known regional accents, the line between
>> "Michigan English" and "the way my cousin in Sault Ste. Marie talks"
>> becomes very vague.
>>
>> --
>> Doug Ewell | Thornton, CO, US | ewellic.org
>>
>>

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