Re: So here it is one year later...

[email protected] (Justin Mason)
Newsgroups gmane.ietf.mxcomp
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Dean Anderson writes:
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Dean Anderson wrote:
> 
> > >   ((3.7259 / 100) * 54725) = 2038.998775
> > > 
> > > I'd suspect that rounding error means that 2039 spam messages passed the
> > > SPF check, so round to 2039.
> > > 
> > >   ((18.9072 / 100) * 6680) = 1263.00096
> > > 
> > > and 1263 hams passed SPF.  Total those, and you get 3302 messages
> > > from the overall corpus passing SPF; to express that as a percentage
> > > of the total overall corpus, in other words "OVERALL%", you compute
> > > (3302 / 61405) * 100 = 5.377.
> 
> BTW, I'd say that 38% of the SPF use was ham, and 62% was spam.
>     1263 ham / 3302  = ~38%
>     2039 spam / 3302 = ~62%
> 
> So, 24% versus the 34% in September.  Either slightly better than
> September, or perhaps the sample is too small and skewed to be useful. Or 
> both.  Its still better to block whenever you see SPF.

hmm!  not sure if that's a good assumption -- it's very much dependent on
the comparative ham:spam ratio a domain would see. This set of corpora is
heavily skewed towards receiving more spam than ham; 87.8% of our messages
being spam.

Let's say those corpora were only receiving a third as much spam as they
currently do, possibly because they were younger email addresses or
whatever.  In that case, we'd see 1263 ham, 680 spam (2039/3 ~= 680), in
which case the proportion of SPF-using-spam vs SPF-using-ham would be on
its head: 34% being spam, 65% being ham.

What I'm trying to illustrate here is that it's important to compare
figures using figures that compensate for the comparative ham:spam ratio,
because that varies wildly.   Hence, comparing (SPF-bearing-ham / all-ham)
to (SPF-bearing-spam / all-spam) is safer than comparing the message
counts of SPF-bearing-ham and SPF-bearing-spam directly.

> Still, I'd think the 3.7% of total spam using SPF is still fairly
> significant, and probably reflects the relative proportion of genuine
> commercial spam to non-commercial spam.  It would be interesting to know,
> of those spams that pass SPF, how many are CAN-SPAM compliant?  How many
> of the non-SPF spams were CAN-SPAM compliant?  I'd conjecture a strong
> correlation.

now that's something I don't have time to get into, CAN-SPAM compliance
not being something that's easy to automate checking for (more's the
pity).

- --j.
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