[OPS-AREA]Re: [OPSAREA@IETF126] IRTF/IETF OPS Transfer : Status & Exploring Collaboration Opportunities
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--===============3594851988766563882== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="----=_Part_250934_2036268057.1782031424373" Content-Language: en-US ------=_Part_250934_2036268057.1782031424373 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_ZR0P278MB11655E033E2F22490E21ABAE89E02ZR0P278MB1165CHEP_" Content-Language: en-US --_000_ZR0P278MB11655E033E2F22490E21ABAE89E02ZR0P278MB1165CHEP_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear NMRG, NMOP, OPSAWG and OPSAREA, First of all many thanks to Brad, Dan, Christopher, Alex, Qin and Bernard o= n their feedback. That's a great start. I have been following this thread closely https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch= /msg/nmop/gTPL1eBj5e3GMMt8qeUWmPP4oMg/ to understand wherever research and = industry adoption comes closer together, wherever there is interest for hav= ing a joint discussion and on what particular topic. What I observed so far is that we all share that AI in general and also AIO= ps research and adoption rate has dramatically increased. So far everybody = was very supportive on having a joint discussion. I would be interested to = have more feedback, especially also from those who think that it would not = bring much benefit with reasons why. >From what I observed, having an initial discussion on the following existin= g working group document topics and how they intersect * Network Digital Twin (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-irt= f-nmrg-network-digital-twin-arch) * Intent-Based Networking (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-= irtf-nmrg-ibn-usecases) * SIMAP (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-simap-co= ncept) * YANG-Push to Message Broker integration (https://datatracker.ietf.org= /doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-yang-message-broker-integration) and then having a discussions on the following raised questions perhaps: * Which AI agents capabilities are suitable for network management? * What is the impact of an AI network management process to YANG inform= ation, service, network and data modelling? * Is MCP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_Context_Protocol) a suita= ble protocol between AI agents and IETF network management data sources and= system components? * How does an AI agent interact with Network Digital Twin, Intent-Based= Networking, SIMAP, Knowledge Graphs and YANG data in Message Brokers? and move from there into some proposed work addressing these areas. And las= t but not least maybe wrapping up around running code. How experiments coul= d facilitate and exchange between both working groups. Alex brought up that= ANRW is once a year and perhaps on one or two other occasion the two worki= ng group could continuously actively exchange every year could be an intere= sting proposal. * Would that be a potential interesting agenda for everybody? * Did I miss anything or shall we focus more on a particular item? * Any particular discussion structure you would fancy? I also observed that authors authoring Knowledge Graph documents have voice= d wherever Knowledge Graph could be a topic of interest. I would love to se= e more discussions from other areas on this in particular how this intersec= ts with AIOps and AI assisted network management topics. I saw also that on= tologies have been mentioned, which I personally besides semantics believe = plays an important role with interacting with AI agents. As I am human, and not an AI agent, the observations and suggestions might = be unintentionally bias. So please feedback and comment. Best wishes Thomas From: Graf Thomas, SCS-INI-NET-VNC-E2E Sent: Monday, June 1, 2026 7:16 AM To: Nmop <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; [email protected]<mailto:nmrg@i= rtf.org> Cc: Mohamed Boucadair <[email protected]<mailto:mohamed.boucadai= [email protected]>>; nmrg-chairs <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]= rg>>; Nmop-chairs <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: FW: [OPSAREA@IETF126] IRTF/IETF OPS Transfer: Status & Exploring C= ollaboration Opportunities Dear NMRG and NMOP, Med approached me wherever I am willing to facilitate with the support of b= oth working group chairs a discussion between NMRG and NMOP on common inter= ests. Looking at the list of current adopted documents https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/nmrg/documents/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/nmop/documents/ but also looking at AIOps related proposals https://github.com/IETF-OPS-AD/= misc/blob/main/ai-submissions-ietf125.md, and the related past side meeting= s in the network management domain, I see that the lifecycle on research an= d industry adoption of model and data driven network management becomes acc= elerated and therefore research and industry adoption comes more and more c= loser together. Looking at the bluesheets of IETF 125, I see that we had 10= 7 participants for NMRG and 115 for NMOP and 36 participants were attending= both NMRG and NMOP. Or in other words, I personally believe that both working groups have a lot= in common but also a also few things which makes them very unique and inte= resting to facilitate such a discussion. I might be wrong and therefore would like to get some feedback from both ma= iling lists first: * Would you agree that the lifecycle on research and industry adoption = of model and data driven network management becomes accelerated and therefo= re research and industry adoption comes more and more closer together? * Is there an interest at the NMRG and NMOP communities to have an exch= ange on currently adopted and future proposed work to identify synergies an= d common interests in both working groups and discuss how they could be add= ressed better? * Do you have a particular topic, set of documents or interest already = in mind? Best wishes Thomas From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <mo= [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Monday, May 4, 2026 10:21 AM To: Graf Thomas, SCS-INI-NET-VNC-E2E <[email protected]<mailto:Thoma= [email protected]>>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; N= mop-chairs <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Cc: ops-ads <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Dirk KUTSCHER <iet= [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: [OPSAREA@IETF126] IRTF/IETF OPS Transfer: Status & Exploring Colla= boration Opportunities Be aware: This is an external email. Hi all, I had several discussions recently with many IETF participants about the re= lationship between some work done in the IRTF and IETF. Specifically, I hea= rd several questions about the current mode of operation between NMRG and O= PS and whether/how activity transfer is happening between the two communiti= es. I do see a value in bringing some of these items from hallway discussio= n to our formal meetings :-) This can be the opportunity to explore between collaboration between the co= mmunities, and not rely only on the leadership level. See, for example, the= following excerpt form the NMRG Charter: "The IETF Operations and Management Area Directors are members of the NM= RG mailing list and invited to NMRG meetings in order to ensure free flow o= f information in both directions, and to avoid duplication of work with th= e various IETF working groups." There are several WG/RG pairs that may be considered for collaboration (NMR= G/NMOP, MAPRG/IPPM, etc.) but I think that it would be better to scope the = discussion to a specific area. I suggest to focus this time on NMRG/NMOP. Thomas kindly accepted to drive a discussion on this topic in the IETF#126 = OPSAREA Session with some proposals to bridge both communities. Thomas is a= lso willing to collect feedback and coordinate between the NMRG/NMOP Chairs= , in particular. @NMOP/@NMRG Chairs: Would you be interested/willing to work with Thomas to = consolidate some discussion material? Thoughts and suggestions are welcome. Thank you. Cheers, Med ___________________________________________________________________________= _________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages el= ectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou = falsifie. Merci. 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text-indent:-.25in; mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Symbol;} @list l6:level9 {mso-level-number-format:bullet; mso-level-text:\F0B7; mso-level-tab-stop:4.5in; mso-level-number-position:left; text-indent:-.25in; mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Symbol;} ol {margin-bottom:0in;} ul {margin-bottom:0in;} --></style> </head> <body lang=3D"DE-CH" link=3D"#467886" vlink=3D"#96607D" style=3D"word-wrap:= break-word"> <div class=3D"WordSection1"> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Dear NMRG, NMOP, = OPSAWG and OPSAREA,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><o:p> </o:p>= </span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">First of all many= thanks to Brad, Dan, Christopher, Alex, Qin and Bernard on their feedback.= That’s a great start. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><o:p> </o:p>= </span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841;mso-ligatures:none= ;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH">I have been following this thread closely <a href=3D"https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmop/gTPL1eBj5e3GMMt8qeUWm= PP4oMg/"> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmop/gTPL1eBj5e3GMMt8qeUWmPP4oMg/</a>= to understand wherever research and industry adoption comes closer togethe= r, wherever there is interest for having a joint discussion and on what par= ticular topic.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841;mso-ligatures:none= ;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841;mso-ligatures:none= ;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH">What I observed so far is that we all share th= at AI in general and also AIOps research and adoption rate has dramatically increased. So far everybody was very supportive on h= aving a joint discussion. I would be interested to have more feedback, espe= cially also from those who think that it would not bring much benefit with = reasons why.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841;mso-ligatures:none= ;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841;mso-ligatures:none= ;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH">From what I observed, having an initial discus= sion on the following existing working group document topics and how they intersect<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841;mso-ligatures:none= ;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc"> <li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"color:#0E2841;margin-left:0in;mso-l= ist:l1 level1 lfo6"> <span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet = MS",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH">Network = Digital Twin (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-irtf-n= mrg-network-digital-twin-arch">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-= irtf-nmrg-network-digital-twin-arch</a>)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D= "MsoListParagraph" style=3D"color:#0E2841;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level= 1 lfo6"> <span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet = MS",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH">Intent-B= ased Networking (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-irt= f-nmrg-ibn-usecases">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-irtf-nmrg-= ibn-usecases</a>)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" styl= e=3D"color:#0E2841;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6"> <span lang=3D"IT" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS&= quot;,sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH">SIMAP (</sp= an><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuch= et MS",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH"><a hr= ef=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-simap-concept">= <span lang=3D"IT">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-sim= ap-concept</span></a></span><span lang=3D"IT" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fon= t-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast= -language:DE-CH">)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" sty= le=3D"color:#0E2841;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6"> <span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet = MS",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH">YANG-Pus= h to Message Broker integration (<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/do= c/html/draft-ietf-nmop-yang-message-broker-integration">https://datatracker= .ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-yang-message-broker-integration</a>)<o:p= ></o:p></span></li></ul> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841;mso-ligatures:none= ;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841;mso-ligatures:none= ;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH">and then having a discussions on the following= raised questions perhaps:<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841;mso-ligatures:none= ;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc"> <li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"color:#0E2841;margin-left:0in;mso-l= ist:l2 level1 lfo7"> <span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet = MS",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH">Which AI= agents capabilities are suitable for network management?<o:p></o:p></span>= </li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"color:#0E2841;margin-left:0in;= mso-list:l2 level1 lfo7"> <span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet = MS",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH">What is = the impact of an AI network management process to YANG information, service= , network and data modelling?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoListPar= agraph" style=3D"color:#0E2841;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo7"> <span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet = MS",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH">Is MCP (= <a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_Context_Protocol">https://en= .wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_Context_Protocol</a>) a suitable protocol between AI agents and IETF network management data sou= rces and system components?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoListParag= raph" style=3D"color:#0E2841;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo7"> <span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet = MS",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH">How does= an AI agent interact with Network Digital Twin, Intent-Based Networking, S= IMAP, Knowledge Graphs and YANG data in Message Brokers?<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841;mso-ligatures:none= ;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841;mso-ligatures:none= ;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH">and move from there into some proposed work ad= dressing these areas. And last but not least maybe wrapping up around running code. How experiments could facilitate and exch= ange between both working groups. Alex brought up that ANRW is once a year = and perhaps on one or two other occasion the two working group could contin= uously actively exchange every year could be an interesting proposal.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841;mso-ligatures:none= ;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc"> <li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"color:#0E2841;margin-left:0in;mso-l= ist:l5 level1 lfo8"> <span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet = MS",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH">Would th= at be a potential interesting agenda for everybody?<o:p></o:p></span></li><= li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"color:#0E2841;margin-left:0in;mso-li= st:l5 level1 lfo8"> <span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet = MS",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH">Did I mi= ss anything or shall we focus more on a particular item?<o:p></o:p></span><= /li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"color:#0E2841;margin-left:0in;m= so-list:l5 level1 lfo8"> <span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet = MS",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH">Any part= icular discussion structure you would fancy?<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841;mso-ligatures:none= ;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841;mso-ligatures:none= ;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH">I also observed that authors authoring Knowled= ge Graph documents have voiced wherever Knowledge Graph could be a topic of interest. I would love to see more discussions f= rom other areas on this in particular how this intersects with AIOps and AI= assisted network management topics. I saw also that ontologies have been m= entioned, which I personally besides semantics believe plays an important role with interacting with AI agents.= <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841;mso-ligatures:none= ;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841;mso-ligatures:none= ;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH">As I am human, and not an AI agent, the observ= ations and suggestions might be unintentionally bias. So please feedback and comment.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841;mso-ligatures:none= ;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841;mso-ligatures:none= ;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH">Best wishes<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841;mso-ligatures:none= ;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH">Thomas<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><o:p> </o:p>= </span></p> <div> <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in = 0in 0in"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"C= alibri",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH">From= :</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",s= ans-serif;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH"> Graf Thomas, SCS-INI-NET-VNC-E2E <br> <b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 1, 2026 7:16 AM<br> <b>To:</b> Nmop <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>>;= <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"> [email protected]</a><br> <b>Cc:</b> Mohamed Boucadair <<a href=3D"mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange= .com">[email protected]</a>>; nmrg-chairs <<a href=3D"mail= to:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>>; Nmop-chairs <<a h= ref=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>><br> <b>Subject:</b> FW: [OPSAREA@IETF126] IRTF/IETF OPS Transfer: Status & = Exploring Collaboration Opportunities<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tr= ebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Dear NMRG and NMOP,<o:p></o:p></= span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tr= ebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Med approached me= wherever I am willing to facilitate with the support of both working group= chairs a discussion between NMRG and NMOP on common interests.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><o:p> </o:p>= </span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Looking at the li= st of current adopted documents<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><o:p> </o:p>= </span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><a href=3D"https:= //datatracker.ietf.org/group/nmrg/documents/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/= group/nmrg/documents/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><a href=3D"https:= //datatracker.ietf.org/wg/nmop/documents/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/= nmop/documents/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><o:p> </o:p>= </span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">but also looking = at AIOps related proposals <a href=3D"https://github.com/IETF-OPS-AD/misc/blob/main/ai-submissions-iet= f125.md"> https://github.com/IETF-OPS-AD/misc/blob/main/ai-submissions-ietf125.md</a>= , and the related past side meetings in the network management domain, I se= e that the lifecycle on research and industry adoption of model and data dr= iven network management becomes accelerated and therefore research and industry adoption comes more and mo= re closer together. Looking at the bluesheets of IETF 125, I see that we ha= d 107 participants for NMRG and 115 for NMOP and 36 participants were atten= ding both NMRG and NMOP.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><o:p> </o:p>= </span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Or in other words= , I personally believe that both working groups have a lot in common but al= so a also few things which makes them very unique and interesting to facilitate such a discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><o:p> </o:p>= </span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">I might be wrong = and therefore would like to get some feedback from both mailing lists first= :<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><o:p> </o:p>= </span></p> <ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc"> <li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"color:#0E2841;margin-left:0in;mso-l= ist:l0 level1 lfo3"> <span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet = MS",sans-serif">Would you agree that the lifecycle on research and ind= ustry adoption of model and data driven network management becomes accelera= ted and therefore research and industry adoption comes more and more closer together?<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><o:p> </o:p>= </span></p> <ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc"> <li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"color:#0E2841;margin-left:0in;mso-l= ist:l0 level1 lfo3"> <span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet = MS",sans-serif">Is there an interest at the NMRG and NMOP communities = to have an exchange on currently adopted and future proposed work to identi= fy synergies and common interests in both working groups and discuss how they could be addressed better?<o:p></o:p></span></= li></ul> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><o:p> </o:p>= </span></p> <ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc"> <li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"color:#0E2841;margin-left:0in;mso-l= ist:l0 level1 lfo3"> <span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet = MS",sans-serif">Do you have a particular topic, set of documents or in= terest already in mind?<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><o:p> </o:p>= </span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Best wishes<o:p><= /o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Thomas<o:p></o:p>= </span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-= family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"><o:p> </o:p>= </span></p> <div> <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in = 0in 0in"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"C= alibri",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH">From= :</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",s= ans-serif;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH"> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]= m</a> <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">mohamed.boucadair= @orange.com</a>> <br> <b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 4, 2026 10:21 AM<br> <b>To:</b> Graf Thomas, SCS-INI-NET-VNC-E2E <<a href=3D"mailto:Thomas.Gr= [email protected]">[email protected]</a>>; <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>; Nmop-chai= rs <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>>= <br> <b>Cc:</b> ops-ads <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]= </a>>; Dirk KUTSCHER <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">ietf@dkut= scher.net</a>><br> <b>Subject:</b> [OPSAREA@IETF126] IRTF/IETF OPS Transfer: Status & Expl= oring Collaboration Opportunities<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <table class=3D"MsoNormalTable" border=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding= =3D"0" align=3D"left" width=3D"100%" style=3D"width:100.0%"> <tbody> <tr> <td style=3D"background:#CF4A0C;padding:5.0pt 2.0pt 5.0pt 2.0pt"></td> <td width=3D"100%" style=3D"width:100.0%;background:#FFF8E5;padding:5.0pt 4= .0pt 5.0pt 12.0pt"> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-element:frame;mso-element-frame-hspace:= 2.25pt;mso-element-wrap:around;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-el= ement-anchor-horizontal:column;mso-height-rule:exactly"> <b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#222222;mso-ligatures:none;mso-far= east-language:DE-CH">Be aware:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;co= lor:#222222;mso-ligatures:none;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH"> This is an exte= rnal email.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;mso-liga= tures:none;mso-fareast-language:DE-CH"><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-family:"Courier= New"">Hi all, <o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-family:"Courier= New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"Cour= ier New"">I had several discussions recently with many IETF participan= ts about the relationship between some work done in the IRTF and IETF. Spec= ifically, I heard several questions about the current mode of operation between NMRG and OPS and whether/how activity transfer i= s happening between the two communities. I do see a value in bringing some = of these items from hallway discussion to our formal meetings :-)<o:p></o:p= ></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"Cour= ier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"Cour= ier New"">This can be the opportunity to explore between collaboration= between the communities, and not rely only on the leadership level. See, f= or example, the following excerpt form the NMRG Charter:<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"Cour= ier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"Cour= ier New""> “The IETF Operations and Management Area = Directors are members of the NMRG<br> mailing list and invited to NMRG meetings in order to ensure f= ree flow of<br> information in both directions, and to avoid duplication of wo= rk with the<br> various IETF working groups.”<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"Cour= ier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"Cour= ier New"">There are several WG/RG pairs that may be considered for col= laboration (NMRG/NMOP, MAPRG/IPPM, etc.) but I think that it would be bette= r to scope the discussion to a specific area. I suggest to focus this time on NMRG/NMOP.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"Cour= ier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"Cour= ier New"">Thomas kindly accepted to drive a discussion on this topic i= n the IETF#126 OPSAREA Session with some proposals to bridge both communiti= es. Thomas is also willing to collect feedback and coordinate between the NMRG/NMOP Chairs, in particular.<o:p></o:p></span><= /p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"Cour= ier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"Cour= ier New"">@NMOP/@NMRG Chairs: Would you be interested/willing to work = with Thomas to consolidate some discussion material? Thoughts and suggestio= ns are welcome.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"Cour= ier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"Cour= ier New"">Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"Cour= ier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"Cour= ier New"">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"Cour= ier New"">Med<o:p></o:p></span></p> <pre><span lang=3D"FR">____________________________________________________= ________________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span><= /pre> <pre><span lang=3D"FR">Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir de= s informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc<o:p></o:p= ></span></pre> <pre><span lang=3D"FR">pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisa= tion. 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