[OPSAWG]Re: [External] [NMOP] Re: [OPSAREA@IET F126] IRTF/IETF OPS Transfer: Status & Exploring Collaborat ion Opportunities [Commercial - Anyone]
Brad Peters <bradpeters=40nbnco.com.au-Tr9gZwTxerDR74oF6e/[email protected]> Sun, 21 Jun 2026 23:01:57 +0000
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--===============7332464061033192047== Content-Language: en-AU Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_ME0P282MB50179DDDD0F260FA7273EA2FF1E02ME0P282MB5017AUSP_" --_000_ME0P282MB50179DDDD0F260FA7273EA2FF1E02ME0P282MB5017AUSP_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Thomas, Thank you for kicking off this discussion. The intersection of these workin= g groups aligns perfectly with the transition the industry is already makin= g: moving from AI-Enabled Network Operations to AI-Native Autonomous Operat= ions. To directly address your questions regarding how AI agents interact with Kn= owledge Graphs, Intent, and YANG data, I believe we must first distinguish = between automation and autonomy. Currently, most industry efforts focus on AI-enabled operations, essentiall= y using AI to assist human operators within legacy functional processes. Th= is places a layer of automation on top of existing silos (event/fault, perf= ormance, security, accounting). The fatal flaw here is that our current eve= nt/telemetry pipelines are fundamentally designed for human consumption. We= aggressively filter, aggregate, and discard high-frequency signals because= a human operator cannot process them. By doing so, we actively destroy the= granular context an AI needs. Creating a foundational model of the network and enriching it with state-ba= sed and fast-moving contextual data like streaming telemetry, is critical f= or providing AI agents with the information they need. We must shift from d= esign-time hardcoding to run-time enablement. Agents must be able to self-a= dapt while remaining grounded in factual reality, complete with the capabil= ity to safely test and evaluate insights before execution. AI-Native management is about true autonomy: operating on the network with = complete, unified context to produce an action with a high confidence inter= val. This is where the intersection of your mentioned topics becomes critic= al: * Grounding the Agent: LLMs are inherently probabilistic. To make determinist= ic, factual decisions, they require a grounding point. Knowledge Graphs (KG= s) provide this definitive, end-to-end view of the network state. * Run-Time vs. Design-Time: Legacy automation embeds operational knowledge di= rectly into the application code, creating a massive barrier to change. A w= ell-structured ontology allows us to separate the knowledge from the applic= ation. Agents can infer and reason over the graph to adapt at run-time rath= er than waiting for design-time code changes. * Bridging the Temporal Gap: A Knowledge Graph provides the deterministic bas= eline of slow-moving inventory and topological state. Real-time mechanisms = like YANG-Push and gRPC provide the fast moving state and potentially tempo= ral (TSDB) data that overlays onto that graph. Together, they give the agen= t a complete slice of the operational environment to evaluate and test prop= osed changes before execution. (Use of a context broker as per Telefonicia = ETSI Common Information Model). This architectural shift is actively gaining traction. Just today, CommsDay= (an Australian Communication focused publication) highlighted a major Aust= ralian carrier rearchitecting their operations around a knowledge plane for= the reasons above. I presented on this exact challenge at the Broadband Fo= rum in March, specifically addressing the TM Forum autonomy ladder and the = "Knowledge Limit" that is hit at Level 3 if we rely on event-driven automat= ion rather than knowledge-driven autonomy. This links directly to, and is supported by, the previous IETF Knowledge Gr= aph team papers: * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mackey-nmop-kg-for-netops/ * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tailhardat-nmop-incident-management-= noria/ Regarding "running code" and practical intersections, I have been developin= g a semantic compiler to translate IETF YANG models into OWL ontologies. Th= e goal is to layer additional semantics on top of the base models to suppor= t AI agents, integrating RFC9315 Operational Intent with TM Forum ontologie= s (like the TIO). You can view the current progress of bridging these domai= ns here: https://github.com/bradspau/Network-Ontology-Knowledge-Graphs. I believe exploring this semantic bridge, how IETF data models map to the o= ntologies required by systems for autonomous reasoning, would be a highly v= aluable agenda item for our joint discussions. Ultimately, this technology change demands a rethink of who is conducting t= he processes of the past. Are we still curating data for human limitations,= creating dashboards, and relying upon human interpretation? Or are agents = and systems now the primary receivers of data, responsible for producing te= sted operational insights and recommendations? Will be interesting to see how this unfolds with those that are current imp= lementers/developping. Cheers. Brad ________________________________ From: Thomas.Graf-Zc0CTiu5wcBWk0Htik3J/[email protected] <Thomas.Graf-Zc0CTiu5wcBWk0Htik3J/[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, 21 June 2026 6:43 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]= >; [email protected] <[email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [External] [NMOP] Re: [OPSAREA@IETF126] IRTF/IETF OPS Transfer: St= atus & Exploring Collaboration Opportunities EXTERNAL SENDER =96 Be cautious opening Links and Attachments Dear NMRG, NMOP, OPSAWG and OPSAREA, First of all many thanks to Brad, Dan, Christopher, Alex, Qin and Bernard o= n their feedback. That=92s a great start. I have been following this thread closely https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch= /msg/nmop/gTPL1eBj5e3GMMt8qeUWmPP4oMg/ to understand wherever research and = industry adoption comes closer together, wherever there is interest for hav= ing a joint discussion and on what particular topic. What I observed so far is that we all share that AI in general and also AIO= ps research and adoption rate has dramatically increased. So far everybody = was very supportive on having a joint discussion. I would be interested to = have more feedback, especially also from those who think that it would not = bring much benefit with reasons why. >From what I observed, having an initial discussion on the following existin= g working group document topics and how they intersect * Network Digital Twin (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-irt= f-nmrg-network-digital-twin-arch) * Intent-Based Networking (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-= irtf-nmrg-ibn-usecases) * SIMAP (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-simap-co= ncept) * YANG-Push to Message Broker integration (https://datatracker.ietf.org= /doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-yang-message-broker-integration) and then having a discussions on the following raised questions perhaps: * Which AI agents capabilities are suitable for network management? * What is the impact of an AI network management process to YANG inform= ation, service, network and data modelling? * Is MCP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_Context_Protocol) a suita= ble protocol between AI agents and IETF network management data sources and= system components? * How does an AI agent interact with Network Digital Twin, Intent-Based= Networking, SIMAP, Knowledge Graphs and YANG data in Message Brokers? and move from there into some proposed work addressing these areas. And las= t but not least maybe wrapping up around running code. How experiments coul= d facilitate and exchange between both working groups. Alex brought up that= ANRW is once a year and perhaps on one or two other occasion the two worki= ng group could continuously actively exchange every year could be an intere= sting proposal. * Would that be a potential interesting agenda for everybody? * Did I miss anything or shall we focus more on a particular item? * Any particular discussion structure you would fancy? I also observed that authors authoring Knowledge Graph documents have voice= d wherever Knowledge Graph could be a topic of interest. I would love to se= e more discussions from other areas on this in particular how this intersec= ts with AIOps and AI assisted network management topics. I saw also that on= tologies have been mentioned, which I personally besides semantics believe = plays an important role with interacting with AI agents. As I am human, and not an AI agent, the observations and suggestions might = be unintentionally bias. So please feedback and comment. Best wishes Thomas From: Graf Thomas, SCS-INI-NET-VNC-E2E Sent: Monday, June 1, 2026 7:16 AM To: Nmop <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; [email protected]<mailto:nmrg@i= rtf.org> Cc: Mohamed Boucadair <[email protected]<mailto:mohamed.boucadai= [email protected]>>; nmrg-chairs <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]= rg>>; Nmop-chairs <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: FW: [OPSAREA@IETF126] IRTF/IETF OPS Transfer: Status & Exploring C= ollaboration Opportunities Dear NMRG and NMOP, Med approached me wherever I am willing to facilitate with the support of b= oth working group chairs a discussion between NMRG and NMOP on common inter= ests. Looking at the list of current adopted documents https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/nmrg/documents/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/nmop/documents/ but also looking at AIOps related proposals https://github.com/IETF-OPS-AD/= misc/blob/main/ai-submissions-ietf125.md, and the related past side meeting= s in the network management domain, I see that the lifecycle on research an= d industry adoption of model and data driven network management becomes acc= elerated and therefore research and industry adoption comes more and more c= loser together. Looking at the bluesheets of IETF 125, I see that we had 10= 7 participants for NMRG and 115 for NMOP and 36 participants were attending= both NMRG and NMOP. Or in other words, I personally believe that both working groups have a lot= in common but also a also few things which makes them very unique and inte= resting to facilitate such a discussion. I might be wrong and therefore would like to get some feedback from both ma= iling lists first: * Would you agree that the lifecycle on research and industry adoption = of model and data driven network management becomes accelerated and therefo= re research and industry adoption comes more and more closer together? * Is there an interest at the NMRG and NMOP communities to have an exch= ange on currently adopted and future proposed work to identify synergies an= d common interests in both working groups and discuss how they could be add= ressed better? * Do you have a particular topic, set of documents or interest already = in mind? Best wishes Thomas From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <mo= [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Monday, May 4, 2026 10:21 AM To: Graf Thomas, SCS-INI-NET-VNC-E2E <Thomas.Graf-Zc0CTiu5wcBWk0Htik3J/[email protected]<mailto:Thoma= s.Graf-Zc0CTiu5wcBWk0Htik3J/[email protected]>>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; N= mop-chairs <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Cc: ops-ads <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Dirk KUTSCHER <iet= [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: [OPSAREA@IETF126] IRTF/IETF OPS Transfer: Status & Exploring Colla= boration Opportunities Be aware: This is an external email. Hi all, I had several discussions recently with many IETF participants about the re= lationship between some work done in the IRTF and IETF. Specifically, I hea= rd several questions about the current mode of operation between NMRG and O= PS and whether/how activity transfer is happening between the two communiti= es. I do see a value in bringing some of these items from hallway discussio= n to our formal meetings :-) This can be the opportunity to explore between collaboration between the co= mmunities, and not rely only on the leadership level. See, for example, the= following excerpt form the NMRG Charter: =93The IETF Operations and Management Area Directors are members of the = NMRG mailing list and invited to NMRG meetings in order to ensure free flow o= f information in both directions, and to avoid duplication of work with th= e various IETF working groups.=94 There are several WG/RG pairs that may be considered for collaboration (NMR= G/NMOP, MAPRG/IPPM, etc.) but I think that it would be better to scope the = discussion to a specific area. I suggest to focus this time on NMRG/NMOP. Thomas kindly accepted to drive a discussion on this topic in the IETF#126 = OPSAREA Session with some proposals to bridge both communities. Thomas is a= lso willing to collect feedback and coordinate between the NMRG/NMOP Chairs= , in particular. @NMOP/@NMRG Chairs: Would you be interested/willing to work with Thomas to = consolidate some discussion material? Thoughts and suggestions are welcome. Thank you. Cheers, Med ___________________________________________________________________________= _________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages el= ectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou = falsifie. Merci. 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Thank you. --_000_ME0P282MB50179DDDD0F260FA7273EA2FF1E02ME0P282MB5017AUSP_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DWindows-1= 252"> <style type=3D"text/css" style=3D"display:none;"> P {margin-top:0;margin-bo= ttom:0;} </style> </head> <body dir=3D"ltr"> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;= font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helv= etica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Hi Thomas,</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;= font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helv= etica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Thank you for kicking off this discussion. The intersection of these workin= g groups aligns perfectly with the transition the industry is already makin= g: moving from AI-Enabled Network Operations to AI-Native Autonomous Operat= ions.</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;= font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helv= etica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> To directly address your questions regarding how AI agents interact with Kn= owledge Graphs, Intent, and YANG data, I believe we must first distinguish = between automation and autonomy.</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;= font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helv= etica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Currently, most industry efforts focus on AI-enabled operations, essentiall= y using AI to assist human operators within legacy functional processes. Th= is places a layer of automation on top of existing silos (event/fault, perf= ormance, security, accounting). The fatal flaw here is that our current event/telemetry pipelines are fund= amentally designed for human consumption. We aggressively filter, aggregate= , and discard high-frequency signals because a human operator cannot proces= s them. By doing so, we actively destroy the granular context an AI needs.</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;= font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helv= etica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Creating a foundational model of the network and enriching it with state-ba= sed and fast-moving contextual data like streaming telemetry, is critical f= or providing AI agents with the information they need. We must shift from d= esign-time hardcoding to run-time enablement. Agents must be able to self-adapt while remaining grounded in = factual reality, complete with the capability to safely test and evaluate i= nsights before execution.</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;= font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helv= etica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> AI-Native management is about true autonomy: operating on the network with = complete, unified context to produce an action with a high confidence inter= val. This is where the intersection of your mentioned topics becomes critic= al:</div> <ul data-editing-info=3D"{"applyListStyleFromLevel":false,"u= norderedStyleType":2}" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"> <li style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, C= alibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin= -top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em; list-style-type: "- ";"> <div class=3D"elementToProof" role=3D"presentation" style=3D"margin-top: 1e= m; margin-bottom: 1em;"> Grounding the Agent: LLMs are inherently probabilistic. To make determ= inistic, factual decisions, they require a grounding point. Knowledge Graph= s (KGs) provide this definitive, end-to-end view of the network state.</div= > </li></ul> <ul data-path-to-node=3D"11" data-editing-info=3D"{"unorderedStyleType= ":2,"applyListStyleFromLevel":false}"> <li style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, C= alibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); list-s= tyle-type: "- ";"> <div class=3D"elementToProof" role=3D"presentation" style=3D"margin-top: 1e= m; margin-bottom: 1em;"> Run-Time vs. Design-Time: Legacy automation embeds operational knowled= ge directly into the application code, creating a massive barrier to change= . A well-structured ontology allows us to separate the knowledge from the a= pplication. Agents can infer and reason over the graph to adapt at run-time rather than waiting for design-time co= de changes.</div> </li><li style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontServi= ce, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); l= ist-style-type: "- ";"> <div class=3D"elementToProof" role=3D"presentation" style=3D"margin-top: 1e= m; margin-bottom: 1em;"> Bridging the Temporal Gap: A Knowledge Graph provides the deterministi= c baseline of slow-moving inventory and topological state. Real-time mechan= isms like YANG-Push and gRPC provide the fast moving state and potentially = temporal (TSDB) data that overlays onto that graph. Together, they give the agent a complete slice of the operatio= nal environment to evaluate and test proposed changes before execution. (Us= e of a context broker as per Telefonicia ETSI Common Information Model).</d= iv> </li></ul> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;= font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helv= etica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> This architectural shift is actively gaining traction. Just today, CommsDay= (an Australian Communication focused publication) highlighted a major Aust= ralian carrier rearchitecting their operations around a knowledge plane for= the reasons above. I presented on this exact challenge at the Broadband Forum in March, specifically addr= essing the TM Forum autonomy ladder and the "Knowledge Limit" tha= t is hit at Level 3 if we rely on event-driven automation rather than knowl= edge-driven autonomy.</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;= font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helv= etica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> This links directly to, and is supported by, the previous IETF Knowledge Gr= aph team papers:</div> <ul data-path-to-node=3D"14"> <li style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, C= alibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <div class=3D"elementToProof" role=3D"presentation" style=3D"margin-top: 1e= m; margin-bottom: 1em;"> <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mackey-nmop-kg-for-netops= /" target=3D"_blank" id=3D"OWAdc4e5f10-98b0-9363-cb18-194095ad8e1a" class= =3D"ng-star-inserted OWAAutoLink" rel=3D"noopener" data-hveid=3D"0" data-ve= d=3D"0CAAQ_4QMahgKEwi8xuulsZmVAxUAAAAAHQAAAAAQuAE">https://datatracker.ietf= .org/doc/draft-mackey-nmop-kg-for-netops/</a></div> </li><li style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontServi= ce, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <div class=3D"elementToProof" role=3D"presentation" style=3D"margin-top: 1e= m; margin-bottom: 1em;"> <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tailhardat-nmop-incident-= management-noria/" target=3D"_blank" id=3D"OWA3a6fb5f8-99d1-df4f-8a6b-0dffc= b77eacf" class=3D"ng-star-inserted OWAAutoLink" rel=3D"noopener" data-hveid= =3D"0" data-ved=3D"0CAAQ_4QMahgKEwi8xuulsZmVAxUAAAAAHQAAAAAQuQE">https://da= tatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tailhardat-nmop-incident-management-noria/</a>= </div> </li></ul> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;= font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helv= etica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Regarding "running code" and practical intersections, I have been= developing a semantic compiler to translate IETF YANG models into OWL onto= logies. The goal is to layer additional semantics on top of the base models= to support AI agents, integrating RFC9315 Operational Intent with TM Forum ontologies (like the TIO). You can view t= he current progress of bridging these domains here: <a href=3D"https://github.com/bradspau/Network-Ontology-Knowledge-Graphs" t= arget=3D"_blank" id=3D"OWA9554941a-6444-5f0e-fbc6-4a73ec0df3de" class=3D"ng= -star-inserted OWAAutoLink" rel=3D"noopener" data-hveid=3D"0" data-ved=3D"0= CAAQ_4QMahgKEwi8xuulsZmVAxUAAAAAHQAAAAAQugE"> https://github.com/bradspau/Network-Ontology-Knowledge-Graphs</a>.</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;= font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helv= etica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> I believe exploring this semantic bridge, how IETF data models map to the o= ntologies required by systems for autonomous reasoning, would be a highly v= aluable agenda item for our joint discussions.</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;= font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helv= etica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Ultimately, this technology change demands a rethink of who is conduct= ing the processes of the past. Are we still curating data for human limitat= ions, creating dashboards, and relying upon human interpretation? Or are ag= ents and systems now the primary receivers of data, responsible for producing tested operational insights and recomme= ndations?</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;= font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helv= etica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Will be interesting to see how this unfolds with those that are current imp= lementers/developping. </div> <div id=3D"Signature" class=3D"elementToProof"> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255)= ; margin: 0px;"> <p class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; text= -indent: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap; margin: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <span style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService,= sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; line-height: 18.3458px;">Cheers.</span></p> <p class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; text= -indent: 0px; margin: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <span style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService,= sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; line-height: 18.3458px;"><b><br> Brad </b></span></p> </div> </div> <div style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, = Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <hr style=3D"display: inline-block; width: 98%;"> <div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg"> <div style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: = 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <b>From:</b> Thomas.Graf-Zc0CTiu5wcBWk0Htik3J/[email protected] <Thomas.Graf-Zc0CTiu5wcBWk0Htik3J/[email protected]>= <br> <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 21 June 2026 6:43 PM<br> <b>To:</b> [email protected] <[email protected]>; [email protected]= g <[email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]>; [email protected]= rg <[email protected]><br> <b>Cc:</b> [email protected] <[email protected]= om><br> <b>Subject:</b> [External] [NMOP] Re: [OPSAREA@IETF126] IRTF/IETF OPS = Transfer: Status & Exploring Collaboration Opportunities</div> <div style=3D"direction: ltr;"> </div> </div> <p><span style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><b>EXTERNAL SENDER =96 Be cautiou= s opening Links and Attachments</b></span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Dear NMRG, NMOP, OPSAWG and OPSAREA,</span= ></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">First of all many thanks to Brad, Dan, Chr= istopher, Alex, Qin and Bernard on their feedback. That=92s a great start.</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">I have been following this thread closely </span><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; fo= nt-size: 10pt; color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><a href=3D"https://mailarchive.ie= tf.org/arch/msg/nmop/gTPL1eBj5e3GMMt8qeUWmPP4oMg/" id=3D"OWA00052b36-c094-c= fde-46ca-c6059cba8b1e" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" originalsrc=3D"https://mailarc= hive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmop/gTPL1eBj5e3GMMt8qeUWmPP4oMg/" data-auth=3D"NotA= pplicable" style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margin-top: 0px; margin-botto= m: 0px;"><u>https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmop/gTPL1eBj5e3GMMt8qeUW= mPP4oMg/</u></a></span><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS"= , sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> to understand wherever research and industry adoption comes closer together, = wherever there is interest for having a joint discussion and on what partic= ular topic.</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">What I observed so far is that we all shar= e that AI in general and also AIOps research and adoption rate has dramatically increased. So far everybody was very suppor= tive on having a joint discussion. I would be interested to have more feedb= ack, especially also from those who think that it would not bring much bene= fit with reasons why.</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">From what I observed, having an initial di= scussion on the following existing working group document topics and how they intersect</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p> <ul style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0in;"> <li style=3D"font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(14= , 40, 65); margin: 0in;"> <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt;" role=3D"presentation">Network Digital Twin (</span><span style=3D"= font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: = rgb(70, 120, 134);" role=3D"presentation"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ie= tf.org/doc/html/draft-irtf-nmrg-network-digital-twin-arch" id=3D"OWAf8b2523= e-bfe3-b72c-5f70-accbf50509b2" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" originalsrc=3D"https:/= /datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-irtf-nmrg-network-digital-twin-arch" d= ata-auth=3D"NotApplicable" style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><u>https://d= atatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-irtf-nmrg-network-digital-twin-arch</u><= /a></span><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif;= font-size: 10pt;" role=3D"presentation">)</span></li><li style=3D"font-fam= ily: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65); margin: 0i= n;"> <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt;" role=3D"presentation">Intent-Based Networking (</span><span style= =3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; col= or: rgb(70, 120, 134);" role=3D"presentation"><a href=3D"https://datatracke= r.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-usecases" id=3D"OWA69c5523a-fbb0-d2= 83-6e31-9ecd6d2789cd" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" originalsrc=3D"https://datatrac= ker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-usecases" data-auth=3D"NotApplica= ble" style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><u>https://datatracker.ietf.org/do= c/html/draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-usecases</u></a></span><span style=3D"font-famil= y: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" role=3D"presenta= tion">)</span></li><li style=3D"font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: = 11pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65); margin: 0in;"> <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt;" role=3D"presentation">SIMAP (</span><span style=3D"font-family: &q= uot;Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(70, 120, 13= 4);" role=3D"presentation"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html= /draft-ietf-nmop-simap-concept" id=3D"OWA4f98c18b-9f00-0c85-0d0d-dc3f44170c= 91" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" originalsrc=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/h= tml/draft-ietf-nmop-simap-concept" data-auth=3D"NotApplicable" style=3D"col= or: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><u>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf= -nmop-simap-concept</u></a></span><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuch= et MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" role=3D"presentation">)</span></= li><li style=3D"font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb= (14, 40, 65); margin: 0in;"> <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt;" role=3D"presentation">YANG-Push to Message Broker integration (</s= pan><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-= size: 10pt; color: rgb(70, 120, 134);" role=3D"presentation"><a href=3D"htt= ps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-yang-message-broker-inte= gration" id=3D"OWA6ff3cf9a-007b-be42-df1d-5eff330eda4a" class=3D"OWAAutoLin= k" originalsrc=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-yan= g-message-broker-integration" data-auth=3D"NotApplicable" style=3D"color: r= gb(70, 120, 134);"><u>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop= -yang-message-broker-integration</u></a></span><span style=3D"font-family: = "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" role=3D"presentatio= n">)</span></li></ul> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">and then having a discussions on the follo= wing raised questions perhaps:</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p> <ul style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0in;"> <li style=3D"font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(14= , 40, 65); margin: 0in;"> <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt;" role=3D"presentation">Which AI agents capabilities are suitable fo= r network management?</span></li><li style=3D"font-family: Aptos, sans-seri= f; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65); margin: 0in;"> <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt;" role=3D"presentation">What is the impact of an AI network manageme= nt process to YANG information, service, network and data modelling?</span>= </li><li style=3D"font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: r= gb(14, 40, 65); margin: 0in;"> <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt;" role=3D"presentation">Is MCP (</span><span style=3D"font-family: &= quot;Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(70, 120, 1= 34);" role=3D"presentation"><a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_= Context_Protocol" id=3D"OWAb0748ed6-ccba-d0c1-c6f9-e1b1811eeb5b" class=3D"O= WAAutoLink" originalsrc=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_Context_Prot= ocol" data-auth=3D"NotApplicable" style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><u>ht= tps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_Context_Protocol</u></a></span><span styl= e=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" r= ole=3D"presentation">) a suitable protocol between AI agents and IETF network management data sou= rces and system components?</span></li><li style=3D"font-family: Aptos, san= s-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65); margin: 0in;"> <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt;" role=3D"presentation">How does an AI agent interact with Network D= igital Twin, Intent-Based Networking, SIMAP, Knowledge Graphs and YANG data= in Message Brokers?</span></li></ul> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">and move from there into some proposed wor= k addressing these areas. And last but not least maybe wrapping up around running code. How experiments could facilitate an= d exchange between both working groups. Alex brought up that ANRW is once a= year and perhaps on one or two other occasion the two working group could = continuously actively exchange every year could be an interesting proposal.</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p> <ul style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0in;"> <li style=3D"font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(14= , 40, 65); margin: 0in;"> <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt;" role=3D"presentation">Would that be a potential interesting agenda= for everybody?</span></li><li style=3D"font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; fon= t-size: 11pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65); margin: 0in;"> <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt;" role=3D"presentation">Did I miss anything or shall we focus more o= n a particular item?</span></li><li style=3D"font-family: Aptos, sans-serif= ; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65); margin: 0in;"> <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt;" role=3D"presentation">Any particular discussion structure you woul= d fancy?</span></li></ul> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">I also observed that authors authoring Kno= wledge Graph documents have voiced wherever Knowledge Graph could be a topic of interest. I would love to see more discussions f= rom other areas on this in particular how this intersects with AIOps and AI= assisted network management topics. I saw also that ontologies have been m= entioned, which I personally besides semantics believe plays an important role with interacting with AI agents.= </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">As I am human, and not an AI agent, the ob= servations and suggestions might be unintentionally bias. So please feedback and comment.</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Best wishes</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Thomas</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p> <div style=3D"padding: 3pt 0in 0in; border-top: 1pt solid rgb(225, 225, 225= );"> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b>From:</b> Graf Th= omas, SCS-INI-NET-VNC-E2E<br> <b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 1, 2026 7:16 AM<br> <b>To:</b> Nmop <</span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-s= erif; color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" id=3D"OWA= d427f856-b451-beb1-db39-bd67c7fd4f9b" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" style=3D"color:= rgb(70, 120, 134); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]<= /u></a></span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">>; </span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(70, 120,= 134);"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" id=3D"OWAc9c1de99-be2d-6180-030f-a= b7e216cb613" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margi= n-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span><span style= =3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><br> <b>Cc:</b> Mohamed Boucadair <</span><span style=3D"font-family: Ca= libri, sans-serif; color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><a href=3D"mailto:mohamed.bou= [email protected]" id=3D"OWA0a6ce867-a3f2-c91c-98c4-e799403ae18a" class=3D"= OWAAutoLink" style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margin-top: 0px; margin-bot= tom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></span><span style=3D"fon= t-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">>; nmrg-chairs <</span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; co= lor: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" id=3D"OWAa= 7f2f4d6-ac03-7c11-2e90-fe51b55f50c9" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" style=3D"color: = rgb(70, 120, 134); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>nmrg-chairs@iet= f.org</u></a></span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">>; Nmop-chairs <</span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; co= lor: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" id=3D"OWAe= ee03dcd-4d18-9aa6-0090-ca8552c8142a" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" style=3D"color: = rgb(70, 120, 134); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>nmop-chairs@iet= f.org</u></a></span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">><= br> <b>Subject:</b> FW: [OPSAREA@IETF126] IRTF/IETF OPS Transfer: Status &= amp; Exploring Collaboration Opportunities</span></p> </div> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= </p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Dear NMRG and NMOP,</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Med approached me wherever I am willing to= facilitate with the support of both working group chairs a discussion between NMRG and NMOP on common interests.</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Looking at the list of current adopted doc= uments</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/= group/nmrg/documents/" id=3D"OWA1bb5ed04-4a55-c800-5835-0eabab453172" class= =3D"OWAAutoLink" originalsrc=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/nmrg/doc= uments/" data-auth=3D"NotApplicable" style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134); mar= gin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/nm= rg/documents/</u></a></span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/= wg/nmop/documents/" id=3D"OWA1726cb65-3d05-9f62-3610-2ebf38549335" class=3D= "OWAAutoLink" originalsrc=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/nmop/documents= /" data-auth=3D"NotApplicable" style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margin-to= p: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/nmop/docume= nts/</u></a></span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">but also looking at AIOps related proposal= s </span><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; fo= nt-size: 10pt; color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><a href=3D"https://github.com/IET= F-OPS-AD/misc/blob/main/ai-submissions-ietf125.md" id=3D"OWAab815d64-2bc7-2= bab-a985-3b7d9496c183" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" originalsrc=3D"https://github.= com/IETF-OPS-AD/misc/blob/main/ai-submissions-ietf125.md" data-auth=3D"NotA= pplicable" style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margin-top: 0px; margin-botto= m: 0px;"><u>https://github.com/IETF-OPS-AD/misc/blob/main/ai-submissions-ie= tf125.md</u></a></span><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS"= , sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">, and the related past side meetings in the network management domain, I see= that the lifecycle on research and industry adoption of model and data dri= ven network management becomes accelerated and therefore research and indus= try adoption comes more and more closer together. Looking at the bluesheets of IETF 125, I see that we had = 107 participants for NMRG and 115 for NMOP and 36 participants were attendi= ng both NMRG and NMOP.</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Or in other words, I personally believe th= at both working groups have a lot in common but also a also few things which makes them very unique and interesting to fac= ilitate such a discussion.</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">I might be wrong and therefore would like = to get some feedback from both mailing lists first:</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p> <ul style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0in;"> <li style=3D"font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(14= , 40, 65); margin: 0in;"> <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt;" role=3D"presentation">Would you agree that the lifecycle on resear= ch and industry adoption of model and data driven network management become= s accelerated and therefore research and industry adoption comes more and more closer together?</span></li></ul> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p> <ul style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0in;"> <li style=3D"font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(14= , 40, 65); margin: 0in;"> <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt;" role=3D"presentation">Is there an interest at the NMRG and NMOP co= mmunities to have an exchange on currently adopted and future proposed work= to identify synergies and common interests in both working groups and discuss how they could be addressed better?</span>= </li></ul> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p> <ul style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0in;"> <li style=3D"font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(14= , 40, 65); margin: 0in;"> <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt;" role=3D"presentation">Do you have a particular topic, set of docum= ents or interest already in mind?</span></li></ul> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Best wishes</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Thomas</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p> <div style=3D"padding: 3pt 0in 0in; border-top: 1pt solid rgb(225, 225, 225= );"> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b>From:</b> </span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(70, 120,= 134);"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" id=3D"OWA98518471-a= d4e-90aa-7df0-c9da7c8962a5" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" style=3D"color: rgb(70, 1= 20, 134); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>mohamed.boucadair@orange= .com</u></a></span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> = <</span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(70, = 120, 134);"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" id=3D"OWAf5656c= a7-6fcd-ce2c-80b7-1ac6fb675bd7" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" style=3D"color: rgb(7= 0, 120, 134); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>mohamed.boucadair@or= ange.com</u></a></span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">&g= t;<br> <b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 4, 2026 10:21 AM<br> <b>To:</b> Graf Thomas, SCS-INI-NET-VNC-E2E <</span><span style=3D"= font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><a href=3D"mai= lto:Thomas.Graf-Zc0CTiu5wcBWk0Htik3J/[email protected]" id=3D"OWA13e404ee-e8ce-8a13-b927-4653185160c9= " class=3D"OWAAutoLink" style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margin-top: 0px;= margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>Thomas.Graf-Zc0CTiu5wcBWk0Htik3J/[email protected]</u></a></span><span style= =3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">>; </span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(70, 120,= 134);"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" id=3D"OWA0cbabe00-cf6b-ea05= -292d-95fa7ff30eb2" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134)= ; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>[email protected]</u></a></sp= an><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">; Nmop-chairs <</span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; co= lor: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" id=3D"OWAa= c684d82-7bc7-45e7-7fef-d0b5dee1f132" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" style=3D"color: = rgb(70, 120, 134); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>nmop-chairs@iet= f.org</u></a></span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">><= br> <b>Cc:</b> ops-ads <</span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, san= s-serif; color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" id= =3D"OWA064baa9f-bce5-b380-60ec-bdd4370d56c7" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" style=3D= "color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>ops-ads= @ietf.org</u></a></span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">&= gt;; Dirk KUTSCHER <</span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; = color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" id=3D"OWAa= e76c9f5-3c81-cf57-b931-053e8dd2b9a4" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" style=3D"color: = rgb(70, 120, 134); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>ietf@dkutscher.= net</u></a></span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">><br= > <b>Subject:</b> [OPSAREA@IETF126] IRTF/IETF OPS Transfer: Status &= Exploring Collaboration Opportunities</span></p> </div> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= </p> <table align=3D"left" cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" styl= e=3D"width: 100%;"> <tbody> <tr> <td style=3D"background-color: rgb(207, 74, 12); padding: 5pt 2pt;"></td> <td style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 248, 229); padding: 5pt 4pt 5pt 12p= t; width: 100%;"> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);"><b>Be aware:</b>&n= bsp;This is an external email.</span></p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";">Hi all,</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";">I had several discuss= ions recently with many IETF participants about the relationship between so= me work done in the IRTF and IETF. Specifically, I heard several questions about the current mode of operation between NMRG= and OPS and whether/how activity transfer is happening between the two com= munities. I do see a value in bringing some of these items from hallway dis= cussion to our formal meetings :-)</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";">This can be the oppor= tunity to explore between collaboration between the communities, and not re= ly only on the leadership level. See, for example, the following excerpt form the NMRG Charter:</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";"> =93The I= ETF Operations and Management Area Directors are members of the NMRG<br> mailing list and invited to NMRG meetings in order to ensure f= ree flow of<br> information in both directions, and to avoid duplication of wo= rk with the<br> various IETF working groups.=94</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";">There are several WG/= RG pairs that may be considered for collaboration (NMRG/NMOP, MAPRG/IPPM, e= tc.) but I think that it would be better to scope the discussion to a specific area. I suggest to focus this time on NMRG/NM= OP.</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";">Thomas kindly accepte= d to drive a discussion on this topic in the IETF#126 OPSAREA Session with = some proposals to bridge both communities. Thomas is also willing to collect feedback and coordinate between the NMRG/NMOP C= hairs, in particular.</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";">@NMOP/@NMRG Chairs: W= ould you be interested/willing to work with Thomas to consolidate some disc= ussion material? Thoughts and suggestions are welcome.</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";">Thank you.</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";">Cheers,</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Courier New";">Med</span></p> <pre style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><div style=3D"font-family: "C= ourier New"; font-size: 10pt;">_______________________________________= _____________________________________________________________________</div>= </pre> <pre style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><div style=3D"font-family: "C= ourier New"; font-size: 10pt;">Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuven= t contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent d= onc</div></pre> <pre style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><div style=3D"font-family: "C= ourier New"; font-size: 10pt;">pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies = sans autorisation. 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