[OPSAWG]Re: [External] [NMOP] Re: [nmrg] Re: Re: [OPSAREA@IETF126] IRTF/IETF OPS Transfer: Status & Exploring Collaboration Opportunities [Commercial - Anyone ]
Brad Peters <bradpeters=40nbnco.com.au-Tr9gZwTxerDR74oF6e/[email protected]> Mon, 13 Jul 2026 09:06:40 +0000
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--===============3517454590996493525== Content-Language: en-AU Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_ME0P282MB5017B7BDDFDD467FC86EA831F1FA2ME0P282MB5017AUSP_" --_000_ME0P282MB5017B7BDDFDD467FC86EA831F1FA2ME0P282MB5017AUSP_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been looking at the ability to utilise the semantic and the text conta= ined within the Yang models to enable cross model and management semantic u= nderstanding to enable agents. A very small assessment rather than a normat= ive answer. https://github.com/bradspau/lexicon_assessment/blob/main/yang-anchoring-stu= dy/report/FINDINGS.md Cheers. Brad ________________________________ From: Joe Clarke (jclarke) <jclarke=3D40cisco.com-Tr9gZwTxerDR74oF6e/[email protected]> Sent: Monday, 13 July 2026 5:32 PM To: Thomas.Graf-Zc0CTiu5wcBWk0Htik3J/[email protected] <Thomas.Graf-Zc0CTiu5wcBWk0Htik3J/[email protected]>; xiechf@chinateleco= m.cn <[email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]>; opsaw= [email protected] <[email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]>; [email protected] = <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [External] [NMOP] Re: [nmrg] Re: Re: [OPSAREA@IETF126] IRTF/IETF O= PS Transfer: Status & Exploring Collaboration Opportunities EXTERNAL SENDER =96 Be cautious opening Links and Attachments Catching up on this conversation and thanks for sharing your thoughts and c= ommenting. What you are describing making very much sense to me. Regarding: Q4, How does an AI agent interact with Network Digital Twin, Intent-Based N= etworking, SIMAP, Knowledge Graphs and YANG data in Message Brokers? A: It depends on the specific situation, there should be no one-size-fi= ts-all solution. [JMC] See above on a thought on digital twin. And, yeah, I don=92t think w= e=92ll have a one-size fits all model. [TG] My biased view is that a Network Digital Twin is helpful in context of= Planning & Reasoning where Intent-Based Networking, SIMAP and Knowledge Gr= aphs in context of Learning & Self-Correction. I see the YANG schema and se= mantics in the YANG schema registry (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/= draft-ietf-nmop-yang-message-broker-integration-13#section-4.4) and in the = Streaming Catalog (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-ya= ng-message-broker-integration-13#section-4.5) in Message Brokers as a sourc= e of information for the RAG (Retrieval-Augmented Generation) and identifyi= ng from which Message Broker topics which YANG data should be consumed from= , which Chonfeng lists under Tool Use & Execution. What are your thoughts? Does that make sense? [JMC2] It makes sense, sure. What is yet to be seen is if all of that sche= ma and organization makes RAG any more efficient than loading in configs, i= nventory, and topology raw data and then presenting network questions/probl= ems. I=92ve seen the latter be pretty good though not perfect. I=92m not = positive so much more effort is going to help, though. Joe Best wishes Thomas --_000_ME0P282MB5017B7BDDFDD467FC86EA831F1FA2ME0P282MB5017AUSP_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DWindows-1= 252"> <style type=3D"text/css" style=3D"display:none;"> P {margin-top:0;margin-bo= ttom:0;} </style> </head> <body dir=3D"ltr"> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> I've been looking at the ability to utilise the semantic and the text conta= ined within the Yang models to enable cross model and management semantic u= nderstanding to enable agents. A very small assessment rather than a normat= ive answer.</div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <a href=3D"https://github.com/bradspau/lexicon_assessment/blob/main/yang-an= choring-study/report/FINDINGS.md" id=3D"OWA9d07d507-e158-b6d2-be83-c6225b8e= 294e" class=3D"OWAAutoLink">https://github.com/bradspau/lexicon_assessment/= blob/main/yang-anchoring-study/report/FINDINGS.md</a> </div> <div id=3D"Signature" class=3D"elementToProof"> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255)= ; margin: 0px;"> <p class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; text= -indent: 0px; white-space: pre-wrap; margin: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <span style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService,= sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; line-height: 18.3458px;">Cheers.</span></p> <p class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; text= -indent: 0px; margin: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <span style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService,= sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; line-height: 18.3458px;"><b><br> Brad </b></span></p> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255)= ; margin: 0px;"> <p class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"direction: ltr; text-align: left; text= -indent: 0px; margin: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <span style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService,= sans-serif; font-size: 7.5pt; line-height: 12.95px;"><br> </span></p> </div> <div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFo= nt, Aptos_MSFontService, Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c= olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> </div> <div style=3D"font-family: Aptos, Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, = Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <hr style=3D"display: inline-block; width: 98%;"> <div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg"> <div style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: = 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <b>From:</b> Joe Clarke (jclarke) <jclarke=3D40cisco.com-Tr9gZwTxerDR74oF6e/[email protected]&= gt;<br> <b>Sent:</b> Monday, 13 July 2026 5:32 PM<br> <b>To:</b> Thomas.Graf-Zc0CTiu5wcBWk0Htik3J/[email protected] <Thomas.Graf-Zc0CTiu5wcBWk0Htik3J/[email protected]>; xiech= [email protected] <[email protected]>; [email protected] <ops= [email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]>; [email protected] = <[email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]><br> <b>Cc:</b> [email protected] <[email protected]>= ;<br> <b>Subject:</b> [External] [NMOP] Re: [nmrg] Re: Re: [OPSAREA@IETF126] IRTF= /IETF OPS Transfer: Status & Exploring Collaboration Opportunities</div= > <div style=3D"direction: ltr;"> </div> </div> <p><span style=3D"color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><b>EXTERNAL SENDER =96 Be cautiou= s opening Links and Attachments</b></span></p> <div style=3D"direction: ltr; font-family: Aptos, Arial, Helvetica, sans-se= rif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div id=3D"x_mail-editor-reference-message-container"> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Catching up on this conversation and thank= s for sharing your thoughts and commenting. What you are describing making very much sense to me. Regarding:</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Q4, How does an AI agent interact with Net= work Digital Twin, Intent-Based Networking, SIMAP, Knowledge Graphs and YANG data in Message Brokers?</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> A: It depends on the sp= ecific situation, there should be no one-size-fits-all solution.</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">[JMC] See above on a thought on digital tw= in. And, yeah, I don=92t think we=92ll have a one-size fits all model.</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">[TG] My biased view is that a Network Digi= tal Twin is helpful in context of Planning & Reasoning where Intent-Based Networking, SIMAP and Knowledge Graphs in context of Le= arning & Self-Correction. I see the YANG schema and semantics in the YA= NG schema registry (</span><span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS&q= uot;, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><a href=3D"ht= tps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-yang-message-broker-int= egration-13#section-4.4" id=3D"OWA34dc2632-36c4-57ab-2b01-c1c10a8a551e" cla= ss=3D"OWAAutoLink" originalsrc=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/dra= ft-ietf-nmop-yang-message-broker-integration-13#section-4.4" data-auth=3D"N= otApplicable" data-outlook-id=3D"c3587784-5a44-4b51-9529-04a5ac3513f2" styl= e=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><u>htt= ps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-yang-message-broker-inte= gration-13#section-4.4</u></a></span><span style=3D"font-family: "Treb= uchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">) and in the Streaming Catalog (</span><span style=3D"font-family: "Tre= buchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(70, 120, 134);"><a= href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-yang-message= -broker-integration-13#section-4.5" id=3D"OWAda39e66c-dc38-d80c-4445-829fd6= 6e5505" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" originalsrc=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/d= oc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-yang-message-broker-integration-13#section-4.5" dat= a-auth=3D"NotApplicable" data-outlook-id=3D"8f571d13-f638-4eef-9f60-739752f= 2a8e6" style=3D"color: rgb(70, 120, 134); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0= px;"><u>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-nmop-yang-message-= broker-integration-13#section-4.5</u></a></span><span style=3D"font-family:= "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, = 65);">) in Message Brokers as a source of information for the RAG (Retrieval-Augme= nted Generation) and identifying from which Message Broker topics which YAN= G data should be consumed from, which Chonfeng lists under Tool Use & E= xecution.</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">What are your thoughts? Does that make sen= se?</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"><br> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0px 0in;"><span style=3D"font-family: Aptos, sans-serif= ; font-size: 13px; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">[JMC2] It makes sense, sure. &n= bsp;What is yet to be seen is if all of that schema and organization makes = RAG any more efficient than loading in configs, inventory, and topology raw data and then presenting network questions/pro= blems. I=92ve seen the latter be <i>pretty good</i> though not perfect. I=92m not positive so muc= h more effort is going to help, though.</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0px 0in;"><span style=3D"font-family: Aptos, sans-serif= ; font-size: 13px; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"><br> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0px 0in;"><span style=3D"font-family: Aptos, sans-serif= ; font-size: 13px; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Joe</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Best wishes</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);">Thomas</span></p> <p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">= <span style=3D"font-family: "Trebuchet MS", sans-serif; font-size= : 10pt; color: rgb(14, 40, 65);"> </span></p> <div><br> <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri; text-align: center; color: rgb(0, 0, 0)= ; margin-left: 5pt; font-size: 6pt;"> </div> </div> </div> </body> </html> --_000_ME0P282MB5017B7BDDFDD467FC86EA831F1FA2ME0P282MB5017AUSP_-- --===============3517454590996493525== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KT1BTQVdHIG1h aWxpbmcgbGlzdCAtLSBvcHNhd2dAaWV0Zi5vcmcKVG8gdW5zdWJzY3JpYmUgc2VuZCBhbiBlbWFp bCB0byBvcHNhd2ctbGVhdmVAaWV0Zi5vcmcK --===============3517454590996493525==--