[OPS-AREA]Re: [Int-area] Re: Proposals for ICMP Extens ions: Operational Motivations & Rationale

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Hello Ron/Joe/Med/Tobias/all,
Thanks for the discussion!

Ron and I had discussed this a while back but given my tight schedule and
time zone differences, I was not able to e-join the discussion.

But being a co-author on draft-pignataro-icmp-enviro-info, with Ron, I'd be
happy to also help with the BCP189 update, if you all don't mind.

(I'll keep an eye out for the repo)
Thank you!

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Jainam Parikh














On Fri, Jul 24, 2026, 12:53=E2=80=AFPM Bonica, Ron <ronald.bonica=3D
[email protected]> wrote:

> Please do create a repo and tell us how to access it.
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Joe Clarke (jclarke) <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2026 2:50 PM
> *To:* [email protected] <[email protected]>;
> [email protected] <[email protected]>; Operations
> and Management Area Working Group Discussion List <[email protected]>;
> [email protected] <[email protected]>; Internet Area <[email protected]>;
> Bonica, Ron <[email protected]>
> *Cc:* Jen Linkova <[email protected]>; [email protected] <
> [email protected]>
> *Subject:* Re: Proposals for ICMP Extensions: Operational Motivations &
> Rationale
>
> If we=E2=80=99re going to do this in opsawg, I can create a repo for us i=
n our org
> and push the current text there.
>
> Just throwing this in as a thought as i IIRC did not note this at the
> mic; I coarsely see two groups in here; What I think might be a good
> thing is clarifying the creation of state (specific to ICMP/ICMPv6) via
> ICMP/ICMPv6 messages and/or state dependence. That will entail some
> security considerations tied to that.
>
> [JMC] Not just state.  Some of those drafts expose access to management
> data that has traditionally been protected behind some form of credential=
.
> Exposing it to =E2=80=9Canyone=E2=80=9D with no real accountability defin=
itely raises
> their own security considerations.
>
> Joe
>
>
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto"><di=
v dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>Hello Ron/Joe/Med/T=
obias/all,</div><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks for the discussion!</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Ron and I had discussed this a while =
back but given my tight schedule and time zone differences, I was not able =
to e-join the discussion.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto=
">But being a co-author on=C2=A0draft-pignataro-icmp-enviro-info, with Ron,=
 I&#39;d be happy to also help with the BCP189 update, if you all don&#39;t=
 mind.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">(I&#39;ll keep an=
 eye out for the repo)</div><div dir=3D"auto">Thank you!</div><div data-sma=
rtmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div>--<div>Jainam Pa=
rikh</div><div><br></div></div></div></div><br><br></div><br><br></div><br>=
<br></div><br><br></div><br><br></div><br><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 24, 2026, 12:53=
=E2=80=AFPM Bonica, Ron &lt;ronald.bonica=3D<a href=3D"mailto:40hpe.com@dma=
rc.ietf.org" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer =
noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></=
div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-lef=
t:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">




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Please do create a repo and tell us how to access it.</div>
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yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Joe Clarke (jclarke) =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noref=
errer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">jclark=
[email protected]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 24, 2026 2:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" rel=3D"noreferrer nore=
ferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_b=
lank">[email protected]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected].=
de" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferre=
r noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"=
mailto:[email protected]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferre=
r noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">mohamed.bo=
[email protected]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" =
rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer no=
referrer" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;; Operation=
s and Management Area Working Group Discussion List &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:o=
[email protected]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferr=
er noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;; <a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email protected]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer nore=
ferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]=
g</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer=
 noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">=
[email protected]</a>&gt;; Internet Area &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:int-area@iet=
f.org" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer norefe=
rrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;;
 Bonica, Ron &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" rel=3D"noreferrer=
 noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Jen Linkova &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" rel=3D"nore=
ferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" t=
arget=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:ayourtch@gmai=
l.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer norefe=
rrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email protected]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer=
 noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>=
&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Proposals for ICMP Extensions: Operational Motivations =
&amp; Rationale</font>
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<div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
If we=E2=80=99re going to do this in opsawg, I can create a repo for us in =
our org and push the current text there.<span style=3D"font-size:11pt"><br>
<br>
Just throwing this in as a thought as i IIRC did not note this at the<br>
mic; I coarsely see two groups in here; What I think might be a good<br>
thing is clarifying the creation of state (specific to ICMP/ICMPv6) via<br>
ICMP/ICMPv6 messages and/or state dependence. That will entail some<br>
security considerations tied to that.</span></div>
<div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;fo=
nt-size:11pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"direction:ltr"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt">[JMC] Not just =
state.=C2=A0 Some of those drafts expose access to management data that has=
 traditionally been protected behind some form of credential.=C2=A0 Exposin=
g it to
</span><span style=3D"font-size:14.666667px">=E2=80=9C</span><span style=3D=
"font-size:11pt">anyone</span><span style=3D"font-size:14.666667px">=E2=80=
=9D</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt">=C2=A0with no real accountability =
definitely raises their own security considerations.</span></div>
<div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-size:14.666667px"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"direction:ltr"><span style=3D"font-size:14.666667px">Joe<br>
</span><br>
<br>
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