Re: IETF Outcomes wiki

On 2/8/2010 3:58 PM, Michael MacFaden wrote:
> Good to know, would be useful to update the legend with how the values
> were/are being defined.

Reasonable idea.  I look forward to your wordsmithing...


> If the size  or kind of market isn't defined in the table, then
> the subjective value given is even less useful  to come to a common understanding.

That depends on what understanding is being sought.

The community might decide to take the wiki in the direction you have in mind, 
but the 'understanding' that motivated my developing the wiski was simply "what 
succeeded?"  The answer to that question does not depend on market size, nor the 
year of the success.

Since you are being tenacious about the importance of the size of the market in 
which the success take place, I'll ask you to elaborate:  How does it matter? 
Specifically, what should the IETF learn from that distinction, about the 
utility of its work or how it should do things differently?



> afaik,  SNMPv3 has 100% adoption (nay popular) rate in [Euro-]DOCSIS
> based cable modem market, something less in US Gov't/Federal markets, and
> tiny in enterprise markets. Financial markets being the one wanting better
> security.

Ahhh.  That's not about market size or year.  That's about the /type/ of market 
and its a distinction that led to the Target Segment column.

Your observation suggests that there is perhaps a different value, depending on 
the Target Segment.  Looks like perhaps ++ for DOCSIS and maybe Gov't, and - in 
Enterprise.

First question is whether those differential values match other people's assessment?

Second is whether they want the wiki to differentiate this, and why that's 
important.

Third, is what annotation should be used, to indicate differential success?

But this really is a topic for the Outcomes list.  Can we move this over there?

d/

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   Dave Crocker
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