Re: [OPS-AREA] Heads up
Christopher LILJENSTOLPE <[email protected]>
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Greetings Randy, On 09Nov2010, at 15.01, Randy Bush wrote: >> Chris Liljenstolpe has a proposal that he made in ops-area today, for >> a mechanism to create what amounts to an RFC 1918 prefix, but >> specifically for use in NAT444 ISP configurations. It involves a >> request to the ARIN board. He will write a quick draft and post it >> this week, discuss this Thursday in the Ops WG, and call the question >> in Friday's v6ops meeting. Due to the real time nature of the >> discussion, I'll ask folks to be aware and follow it. > > i have been fighting against this wrong-headed proposal for a couple of > years, since they first tried it in apnic, from which we sent them to > ietf. > > it is a hack which perpetuates their kludge and does not help ipv6 one > little bit. Randy - no one WANTS to run NAT444, however, some of us don't see a way around running it for some period of time. To ignore this means that customer v4 will break, or we do a massive churn in our customer networks. What's done is done, we are where we are. (the collective "We") need to find a way out of the mess, and this gives us some time to fix things. > > they made the current mess and this just delays the inevitable and > they'll want some other silliness to bail them out next time. I don't intend to do this INSTEAD of transition (nor do I think that any of the authors do), we intend to do this to ease the transition > > the space will be immediately be used by others, and thus will defeat > the alleged purpose of giving them private space with which to stitch > together 1918 customers. However, customers who do do that will not be doing it under direction of the industry. It's an easier case. > > it will cement in and perpetuate the n-level ipv4 nat model. That is the last model that I want to perpetuate Randy - please don't attribute agendas to me that I don't have. > > randy > _______________________________________________ > OPS-AREA mailing list > [email protected] > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area > -- Christopher LILJENSTOLPE Telstra o +61 3 8647 6389 pgp key https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc _______________________________________________ v6ops mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops