[saag] Re: Multi-Stakeholder Forum on Internet Standards Dep loyment

On Fri, Nov 14, 2025 at 01:33:55PM +0000, MARTIN Ruediger wrote:
> The European Commission is setting up a Multi-Stakeholder Forum on

Uh oh, the European Commission.  I.e., this is political, rising to the
level of diplomacy.  At least I don't think differences of opinion here
can rise to the level of war -- that's quite fortunate.  The IRTF and
IETF are much less political, with no real international politics
outside of CFRG, and no real national politics / partisanship.

In the past when the EC/EU has gotten involved in defining the Internet
(e.g., Internet 2.0) it was all political, all the time.  And the
Internet ignored them.  And those projects failed.

> Internet Standards Deployment, focused on strengthening the deployment
> of existing standards and operational best practices in four areas:
> 
> - IPv6

Ok.

> - modern E-mail communication standards

I'm wondering if you are all interested in preventing protocols that
encrypt email.  After all, you are interested in reading people's IM
chats, so presumably you're interested in reading their emails as well.

> - DNS security

Uh oh, I bet what the European Commission is driving towards here is
removing authenticated denial of existence.  Am I right?

I think you need to be a lot more forthcoming as to the agenda that the
European Commission has in mind.

> - Routing security & hygiene

Sure.

> Participation is open to anyone with relevant experience.

Let's define "relevant experience".  For example, does participation in
the IETF count?  How many years' worth of experience?  Does mailing list
commentary suffice, or must one have authored, co-authored, and/or
edited RFCs?  Do the areas of the RFCs one has authored constrain one's
participation in the new thing to corresponding areas?  Does one need a
PhD?  Does one need to be sponsored by one's country of citizenship?

You can drive a truckful of denial through this "relevant experience"
requirement.

If you want to be taken seriously then make participation open to
everyone, and make it be that participation on a mailing list is
sufficient, and that participation in-person is never required.

In-person participation requirements are a filtering function that
eliminates all those who are not independently wealthy or whose
employers aren't interested.

> More information and how to join:
> 
> https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/news/european-commission-seeks-participants-multi-stakeholder-forum-internet-standards-deployment

Can you explain what joining means?  For some of us "joining" can
trigger processes at $WORK requiring application and review, while
merely subscribing to a mailing list and participating might not.

Nico
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