[saag] Re: post quantum guidance draft

Stephen Farrell <[email protected]> Mon, 1 Dec 2025 13:51:58 +0000
Newsgroups	gmane.ietf.saag
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Hi Denis,

On 01/12/2025 13:36, Denis wrote:
> Hi Stephen,
> 
> You should not include this restriction:
> 
>     This guidance is not aimed at those developing IETF protocols, nor
>     implementations of those.

I don't understand what you want/mean, sorry. ISTM that
ship has sailed and a whole load of WGs are firing ahead
defining lots of PQ options, so it'd be pointless to try
provide guidance to those WGs.

But maybe I'm misunderstanding you?

Cheers,
S.

> 
> Hence, I don't agree with the current abstract which is:
> 
>     We provide guidance on the use of post-quantum algorithms for those 
> currently deploying applications
>     using IETF protocols with support for such algorithms.
> Denis
> 
>>
>> Hiya,
>>
>> We chatted a bit about [1] at the secdispatch session
>> in Montreal and the sort-of outcome was that further
>> discussion should be on this list. I've updated [1] a
>> little bit in the meantime.
>>
>> I heard various reactions to [1] at secdispatch and
>> in subsequent chats with a few people, those included:
>>
>> 1. we need something like this (maybe this text or some
>>    other, but some general guidance is needed)
>> 2. we don't need this, specific WGs should provide whatever
>>    guidance is needed, if any
>> 3. we shouldn't bother with this at all, it's just a waste
>>    of time and will go nowhere
>>
>> There are likely other positions on this too of course.
>>
>> Given that we've probably hit 100 new PQ codepoints over
>> the various IANA registries (anyone counted 'em all?), I'm
>> clearly in favour of #1 above. #2 seems likely to make
>> for more confusion and be quite slow, and while #3
>> might turn out to be the case, I think we owe it to
>> people using our stuff to give it a shot.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> S.
>>
>> PS: For those who don't read the draft:-) It doesn't say
>> anything about what WGs should do, it's only about what
>> people deploying stuff ought do in the near term.
>>
>> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farrell-tls-pqg/
>>
>>
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