[saag] Re: Relative OIDs are the simpler form of OID (Re : A simpler form of OID)

On Mon, Sep 29, 2025 at 9:25 AM Phillip Hallam-Baker <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
> The reason every Web site has been forced to use TLS is that Chrome makes
> it very difficult to visit a site that doesn't have a valid cert. The
> origins of LetsEncrypt are besides the point, it was Google stuck a gun to
> everyone's head and forced them to use 'em.
>

I'm not sure that this first sentence is correct either, but in any case,
your statement was:


> They [certificates] are cheap because Google underwrote the cost of
production because certain ISPs were stealing advertising dollars from
Google by replacing the ads placed by the content provider with ads sold by
the ISP.

The origins of Let's Encrypt are absolutely relevant to this statement, and
as I said originally, it's not correct.

-Ekr



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> On Sun, Sep 21, 2025 at 5:04 PM Salz, Rich <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>
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>>    - The cheap TLS certs are cheap because they work with the DNS and
>>    - automatically issue certificates upon proof of control of a DNS
>>    name.
>>
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>> That’s kind of backwards. A main reason for free certs was because, as a
>> fundamental principle, the creators of LetsEncrypt wanted them to be free
>> and automation was seen as one of the best ways to reduce the cost by
>> removing the human.
>>
>>
>>    - They are cheap because Google underwrote the cost of production
>>    because certain ISPs were stealing advertising dollars from Google by
>>    replacing the ads placed by the content provider with ads sold by the ISP.
>>
>>
>> This is completely and totally wrong, and I see that EKR posted some
>> details about why.
>>
>>
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