Re: SIMPLE and OMA and 3Gpp and RCS and… (new subject)

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Folks:

Like Ben, I also believe that to start from the scratch is a non-starter =
as
people do not know yet what the "magic model" exists to have the golden
opportunity of interworking.=20

No one is sure how all these interoperability problems will be solved as
people are adding a lot intelligence based on requirements what they =
feel
need to be added in IM and Presence.

It indicates one fundamental thing: These applications are popular and =
will
be used now and in the future not only as a stand-alone application, but
integration with audio, and video including emergency calls.

So, it would be prudent for all of us who have gained real in-depth
understanding after working in building specs, developing, and =
implementing
SIMPLE and XMPP to guide the entire commercial industry to adopt a kind =
of
standard-based IM and Presence model.

Let us be prepared that all of these will be a kind of learn, adopt, =
modify,
and create at time goes on in supporting and building the popular
application protocols like IM and Presence.

BR/Radhika


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf =
Of
Ben Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 10:20 AM
To: I=F1aki Baz Castillo
Cc: Bernard Aboba; DRAGE, Keith (Keith); [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Simple] SIMPLE and OMA and 3Gpp and RCS and=85 (new =
subject)

(as individual)

On Nov 2, 2012, at 7:27 AM, I=F1aki Baz Castillo <[email protected]> wrote:

>> I'd love to see a better model endorsed by SIMPLE and then happily
implement it. I think we do share this goal :-)
>=20
> Sure we agree here. The key is: reusing SIMPLE/XCAP specs? or making
> something better from scratch (after learning from current SIMPLE/XMPP
> specs)?

Do you really believe nothing is salvageable? For example, would you
jettison all of the below?

-- Using SIP in the first place
-- SIP Events
-- RLS
-- SIP Message
-- MSRP
-- XCAP
-- etc

From the discussions so far, it sounds like most of the complaints are =
in
the area of reusing user lists between clients (e.g. contact lists, =
presence
rules, etc). Do people really hate the entire SIMPLE suite, or is it =
just an
XCAP issue.

If the scope of the work is "start over from scratch", then it seems =
like we
would be better served starting with XMPP. I'd be very surprised if we =
could
get support for creating "yet another presence and IM protocol".

We've been there before and it wasn't pretty.





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