Re: AD review of: draft-ietf-tewg-measure-05.txt

Bert, sorry for the delay responding -- just getting back to tewg list now.
Some information for you inline below to some of your questions.

(I am a co-author, Dr. Richard Tibbs, whom you mention below.  FYI, I am 
a faculty at Radford University , Radford VA and my consulting company 
is oakcitysolutions.com)

Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote:

>My summary:
>
>- a lot of text... but not very focused and to the point (or at least
>  I have trouble seeing the main points)
>- not a "framework", rather an exploration of TE measurement related topics
>  (more like  a summary-introduction)
>- I am not an operator, but I think if I were one, then
>  - if we were already doing TE measurement stuff (most likely) then 
>    reading it seems a waste of time
>  - if we were not yet doing any of it... then I wonder if this would
>    be helpfull at all.
>- W.r.t. the TEM WG work item, it says:
>     The tewg interacts with the common control and measurement plane
>     working group to abstract and define those parameters, measurements,
>     and controls that traffic engineering needs in order to engineer
>     the network. 
>  So I would expect a CRISP set of "requirements for additional measurements,
>  configurable/negotiable parameters/controls" ... but not the extensive
>  exploration and text that I now see. Why do people (or the WG) think
>  that this document meets the WG deliverable for TEM ??
>- W.r.t. review:
>  - 4 people from ATT support it. Waisum is one of them and is main editor.
>    Others (Nick Duffield, Bob Cole) have some of their material listed in
>    the doc.
>  - 3 EDU users commented, 2 said they found it a good doc
>    3rd one asked a few questions
>  - Raymond Zhang is positive. He is from info.net ??? is that an operator?
>  - Richard Tibbs gave a thumbs up, he is from oakcitusolutions.com.
>    What role/function does he play/have? Operator, code/tool-developer?
>  - One hotmail user (Spyrokontigiogis) gave a thumbs up. Not that
>    he/she added any comment. Do we know him/her?
>
Dr. Kontogiorgis was formerly with the Business Optimization Group, 
Level 3 Communications out in CO.  He is currently with Colo. School of 
Mines.  So, his comments represent operator viewpoint, I believe.

>
>    What role/function does he/she play/have? Operator, code/tool-developer?
>  - Dimitri Papadimitrou (Alcatel) asked a question/suggested some text.
>    I did not see if he likes the doc or not
>  - Blain Christian (uunet, so maybe a real operator?) withdrew as co-editor
>    That does not sound good (in my view)
>- So where are the real operators that support this?
>
>My thought is that I can do two things:
>
>- send back to WG and say that this is "not good enough" and that I do not 
>  feel comforatable to present it to IESG for approval.
>  It does NOT meet (in my eyes) the WG deliverable for TEM.
>- send it to IESG with my recommendation to NOT approve for same reasons.
>
>So let me try the first option first and ask the WG what they have to say
>to my review.
>
>Bert
>
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