Re: AD review of: draft-ietf-tewg-measure-05.txt

Hi Bert,
Sorry for the delayed response...

At 03:13 AM 4/25/2003 +0200, Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote:
>My summary:
>
>- a lot of text... but not very focused and to the point (or at least
>   I have trouble seeing the main points)
>- not a "framework", rather an exploration of TE measurement related topics
>   (more like  a summary-introduction)
>- I am not an operator, but I think if I were one, then
>   - if we were already doing TE measurement stuff (most likely) then
>     reading it seems a waste of time

Ray - Well, we have policies and implementations at different degrees for 
many of the areas touched upon by the draft but not all... It is indeed 
helpful to look at this as framework for any further work to refine our 
current processes.

>   - if we were not yet doing any of it... then I wonder if this would
>     be helpfull at all.
>- W.r.t. the TEM WG work item, it says:
>      The tewg interacts with the common control and measurement plane
>      working group to abstract and define those parameters, measurements,
>      and controls that traffic engineering needs in order to engineer
>      the network.
>   So I would expect a CRISP set of "requirements for additional measurements,
>   configurable/negotiable parameters/controls" ... but not the extensive
>   exploration and text that I now see. Why do people (or the WG) think
>   that this document meets the WG deliverable for TEM ??
>- W.r.t. review:
>   - 4 people from ATT support it. Waisum is one of them and is main editor.
>     Others (Nick Duffield, Bob Cole) have some of their material listed in
>     the doc.
>   - 3 EDU users commented, 2 said they found it a good doc
>     3rd one asked a few questions
>   - Raymond Zhang is positive. He is from info.net ??? is that an operator?

I am form INFONET ( a global SP).

>   - Richard Tibbs gave a thumbs up, he is from oakcitusolutions.com.
>     What role/function does he play/have? Operator, code/tool-developer?
>   - One hotmail user (Spyrokontigiogis) gave a thumbs up. Not that
>     he/she added any comment. Do we know him/her?
>     What role/function does he/she play/have? Operator, code/tool-developer?
>   - Dimitri Papadimitrou (Alcatel) asked a question/suggested some text.
>     I did not see if he likes the doc or not
>   - Blain Christian (uunet, so maybe a real operator?) withdrew as co-editor
>     That does not sound good (in my view)
>- So where are the real operators that support this?
>
>My thought is that I can do two things:
>
>- send back to WG and say that this is "not good enough" and that I do not
>   feel comforatable to present it to IESG for approval.
>   It does NOT meet (in my eyes) the WG deliverable for TEM.
>- send it to IESG with my recommendation to NOT approve for same reasons.
>
>So let me try the first option first and ask the WG what they have to say
>to my review.
>
>Bert