[TLS] Re: Draft THURDAY minutes are at

Eric Rescorla <[email protected]> Thu, 23 Jul 2026 02:54:33 -0700
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On Thu, Jul 23, 2026 at 2:49=E2=80=AFAM Nadim Kobeissi <[email protected]=
ware>
wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Thanks Rich for these meeting notes.
>
> I=E2=80=99m a bit alarmed at the following item in the notes:
>
> "Poll: Should chairs be more draconian in doing moderation? y/n/no-opinio=
n
> 65/2/7=E2=80=9D
>
> The Cambridge Dictionary defines =E2=80=9Cdraconian=E2=80=9D as =E2=80=9C=
goes further than what is
> right or necessary=E2=80=9D. Um=E2=80=A6 is =E2=80=9Cdraconian=E2=80=9D r=
eally the term that was used by
> the poll?
>

Yes.

And were those really the results of the poll?
>

Plus or minus. It takes a while for the session to be posted, so I don't
have the exact numbers to hand to verify, but I assume Rich transcribed
this in real time.



> Who proposed a poll where the chairs are being asked to =E2=80=9Cgo furth=
er than
> what is right or necessary=E2=80=9D,
>

The chairs proposed the poll with this wording. There was a bit of
discussion about the wording, IIRC, and I think people largely understood
this to mean that the chairs should be moderating more actively.



> and who=E2=80=99s supporting this?
>

People's individual positions aren't recorded, but a number of people
expressed support for more active moderation, including me.


This is creepy to say the least.
>

I don't think so. I would suggest you watch the recording so you can see
the discussion in context.

-Ekr

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote g=
mail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 23,=
 2026 at 2:49=E2=80=AFAM Nadim Kobeissi &lt;[email protected]&gt; wro=
te:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Hi ever=
yone,<div><br></div><div>Thanks Rich for these meeting notes.</div><div><br=
></div><div>I=E2=80=99m a bit alarmed at the following item in the notes:</=
div><div><br></div><div>&quot;Poll: Should chairs be more draconian in doin=
g moderation? y/n/no-opinion 65/2/7=E2=80=9D</div><div><br></div><div>The C=
ambridge Dictionary defines =E2=80=9Cdraconian=E2=80=9D as =E2=80=9Cgoes fu=
rther than what is right or necessary=E2=80=9D. Um=E2=80=A6 is =E2=80=9Cdra=
conian=E2=80=9D really the term that was used by the poll? </div></div></bl=
ockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div>And were those really the resu=
lts of the poll? </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Plus or minus=
. It takes a while for the session to be posted, so I don&#39;t have the ex=
act numbers to hand to verify, but I assume Rich transcribed this in real t=
ime.</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);p=
adding-left:1ex"><div><div>Who proposed a poll where the chairs are being a=
sked to =E2=80=9Cgo further than what is right or necessary=E2=80=9D, </div=
></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The chairs proposed the poll=C2=A0w=
ith this wording. There was a bit of discussion about the wording, IIRC, an=
d I think people=C2=A0largely understood this to mean that the chairs shoul=
d be moderating more actively.</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1p=
x solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div>and who=E2=80=99s supp=
orting this?</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>People&#39;s indiv=
idual positions aren&#39;t recorded, but a number of people expressed suppo=
rt for more active moderation, including me.</div><div><br></div><br><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1=
px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div>This is creepy t=
o say the least.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don&#3=
9;t think so. I would suggest you watch the recording so you can see the di=
scussion in context.</div><div><br></div><div>-Ekr</div><div>=C2=A0</div></=
div></div>

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