[TLS] Re: Draft THURDAY minutes are at

Nadim Kobeissi <[email protected]> Thu, 23 Jul 2026 12:12:03 +0200
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Hi Rich,

I=E2=80=99m familiar with RFC2418 [1] and I believe that it actually =
validates Fabiana=E2=80=99s queries. Quoting the sections you=E2=80=99re =
mentioning:

Section 3.4 (all-caps emphasis of parts that support Fabiana=E2=80=99s =
queries is added by me):

   Disputes are possible at various stages during the IETF process. As
   much as possible the process is designed so that compromises can be
   made, and genuine consensus achieved; however, there are times when
   even the most reasonable and knowledgeable people are unable to
   agree.  TO ACHIEVE THE GOALS OF OPENNESS AND FAIRNESS,
   SUCH CONFLICTS MUST BE RESOLVED BY A PROCESS=20
   OF OPEN REVIEW AND DISCUSSION.

Section 6.1 (all-caps emphasis of parts that support Fabiana=E2=80=99s =
queries is added by me):

      The Chair has ultimate responsibility for ensuring that a working
      group achieves forward progress and meets its milestones.  THE
      CHAIR IS ALSO RESPONSIBLE TO ENSURE THAT THE
      WORKING GROUP OPERATES IN AN OPEN AND FAIR MANNER.

In either case, I would appreciate a substantive response directly from =
the chairs to my original message about Fabiana=E2=80=99s queries [2].

[1] https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc2418
[2] =
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/O5tgVST_oEtwC5-PvoD-xaMEKRk/

Nadim Kobeissi
Symbolic Software =E2=80=A2 https://symbolic.software

> On 23 Jul 2026, at 12:05=E2=80=AFPM, Salz, Rich <[email protected]> =
wrote:
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> On 7/23/26, 11:59=E2=80=AFAM, "Nadim Kobeissi" =
<[email protected]> wrote:
> A few days later, we didn=E2=80=99t get any substantive response to =
Fabiana=E2=80=99s reasonable questions,=20
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> Those questions were not not reasonable and rather showed an ignorance =
of how the IETF works, in particular RFC 2418 which describes how IETF =
working groups work. Look at Section 3 and 6.1=20
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line-break: after-white-space;">Hi Rich,<div><br></div><div>I=E2=80=99m =
familiar with RFC2418 [1] and I believe that it actually validates =
Fabiana=E2=80=99s queries. Quoting the sections you=E2=80=99re =
mentioning:</div><div><br></div><div>Section 3.4 (all-caps emphasis of =
parts that support Fabiana=E2=80=99s queries is added by =
me):</div><div><br></div><div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp;Disputes are possible at =
various stages during the IETF process. As</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp;much =
as possible the process is designed so that compromises can =
be</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp;made, and genuine consensus achieved; however, =
there are times when</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp;even the most reasonable and =
knowledgeable people are unable to</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp;agree. =
&nbsp;TO ACHIEVE THE GOALS OF OPENNESS AND FAIRNESS,</div><div>&nbsp; =
&nbsp;SUCH CONFLICTS MUST BE RESOLVED BY A =
PROCESS&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp;OF OPEN REVIEW AND =
DISCUSSION.</div><div><br></div><div>Section 6.1 (all-caps emphasis of =
parts that support Fabiana=E2=80=99s queries is added by =
me):</div><div><br></div><div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; The Chair has =
ultimate responsibility for ensuring that a working</div><div>&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; group achieves forward progress and meets its milestones. =
&nbsp;THE</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; CHAIR IS ALSO RESPONSIBLE TO =
ENSURE THAT THE</div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; WORKING GROUP OPERATES IN =
AN OPEN AND FAIR MANNER.</div></div><div><br></div><div>In either case, =
I would appreciate a substantive response directly from the chairs to my =
original message about Fabiana=E2=80=99s queries =
[2].</div><div><br></div><div>[1] =
https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc2418</div><div>[2] =
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/O5tgVST_oEtwC5-PvoD-xaMEKRk/</di=
v><div>
<meta charset=3D"UTF-8"><br>Nadim Kobeissi<br>Symbolic Software =
=E2=80=A2&nbsp;https://symbolic.software<br>
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Those questions were not not reasonable and rather showed an ignorance =
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