[media-types] Re: Standards tree registration and RFC 6838

Hi Amanda,

We're attempting to address this sort of situation with this:
  https://ietf-wg-mediaman.github.io/6838bis/draft-ietf-mediaman-6838bis.html#name-community-formats-in-the-st

I'd be curious to hear what you think. There have also been adjustments in other parts of the text which may clarify these issues too.

Cheers,


> On 23 Jul 2025, at 8:50 pm, Amanda Baber <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  I wanted to point out a few recurring standards tree media type processing issues we see in IANA. RFC 6838 is unclear on these points:
>  
>     • Requesters often have a hard time figuring out what their options are if they don’t represent an SDO and can’t/don’t want to write an IETF stream RFC. The process you can derive from Section 3.1, as Ned Freed explained when he was the media type expert, was that requesters could submit an independent stream I-D, and if the ISE was willing to take it up, the expert could provide an informal advisory review for the IESG to refer to. The IESG could then approve the media type directly, if they chose (although they of course wouldn’t approve the I-D itself). It was worked out that we would coordinate this with the ISE around the time of the conflict review. The section doesn’t really outline any of this, though. 
>  
>     • Does the document need guidance for the IESG/ISE re: when an independent submission is appropriate for standards tree registration? (For what it’s worth, it’s been several years since we received a request of this type.)
>  
>     • Grandfathering can also be an option for standards tree requesters, if the experts want to recommend approval to the IESG, but it’s possible that the requirements for this are underspecified. See Appendix A for this.
>  
>     • The IESG isn’t really given guidance as to what constitutes a standards organization for this purpose.
>  I also want to check on whether these auxiliary-type registries are OK as they are, as the instructions in 6838 are a little minimal:
>  
>     • https://www.iana.org/assignments/iesg-recognized-organizations (The note is IESG-provided text from around the time of publication. I wonder if it needs any rephrasing that would reflect the fact that the IESG does have the ability to approve one-off registrations from organizations without adding them to this list.)
>  
>     • https://www.iana.org/assignments/provisional-standard-media-types
>  I won’t be able to make the session, but Murray would be able to speak to much of this, I think.  Thanks,
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