[Roll] Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-el kins-v6ops-ipv6blt-00.txt

Nalini,

> On Jun 3, 2024, at 10:55 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> 
> Thanks for the comments.  I am copying the ROLL group as they may have interest also.
> 
> >  Given the title "IPv6 Over Bluetooth for Power Affluent Devices”  I was expecting to see an IPv6 over <foo> document, but this isn’t that.   
> > It does a good job summarizing IETF Bluetooth work in this area with many references.  I assume the key is “Power Affluent Devices”.   A 
> > different title that makes that clearer might be helpful.
> 
> Sure, we can do that.
> 
> >  The Disaster recovery section is interesting, but I not sure this is exclusive to Bluetooth.   WiFi and other link technologies can probably 
> >   also be used without Internet as well.
> 
> Yes, that is true.   We wanted to make the point that BlueTooth is also an important way to do this.

Better covered in document about disaster recovery that take a broader view.
> 
> 
> >  Section 4.5.  "Shortwave radio" seems out of sync (not bluetooth) with the rest of the draft, not sure why that is included.
> 
> The reason for Shortwave is because in disaster scenarios, this may be the only way to communicate with emergency help or law enforcement.

It is indeed important, but a whole different topic.   
> 
> For example, this is for the USA.

Yes, for example see https://www.arrl.org/ares   
> 
> 34.90 MHz Nationwide emergency channel for the National Guard. 
> 39.46 MHz Emergency communication channel for local and state police. 
> 47.42 MHz Nationwide relief operations channel for the Red Cross.
> 
> Take an example of a university in India located near the beach (this is actually where we are!).   If there is a typhoon, etc, and communications are disrupted, then we can still communicate over the campus and even connect for emergency help.
> 
> One of the university departments has implemented a radio controlled boogie board and drone that can go out to provide emergency help for someone who may be drowning.   They connect to emergency medical aid over shortwave today.  I saw their work, and it got me thinking of shortwave as quite helpful in many situations.
> 

Unlike IPv4, there currently isn’t any standard to run IPv6 over amateur radio.   It has issues like no commercials traffic nor encryption.   I would like to see work done, but I don’t think it belongs in a document titled Bluetooth.

But generally, emergency communication over amateur radio is well established internationally.    It’s not clear to me that the IETF has a lot of value to add.



> > Overall, I am not sure what the goal is for document is.   It covers a lot of areas but I am not sure what it is accomplishing.
> 
> Yes, I see what you mean.  What we were hoping is:
> 
> 1.  Start a conversation about BlueTooth and how it is really a transmission interface like WiFi and so on that we can use.
> 
> 2.  It is relatively simple to run almost any IPv6 application over BlueTooth.  (Maybe IPv4 also but we have not explored this in detail.)
> 
> 3.  Start (add to the ) conversations around disaster recovery or internet shutdown scenarios.  Both of which are, unfortunately, all too prevalent today.   Starlink and other LEO satellites are quite helpful here but as I say, I think this is an interesting conversation to have.  Just my opinion, of course!   Also, not sure where this conversation should happen (or if I have missed where it IS happening!). 
> 
> 4.  For disaster recovery / internet shutdown / or even IoT world,  we may want to think of an architecture which involves a cascaded architecture: BlueTooth, ShortWave, and then global internet connectivity.

That is very broad, I suspect very little falls in the v6ops charter.   

Bob


> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Nalini Elkins
> CEO and Founder
> Inside Products, Inc.
> https://www.insidethestack.com <http://www.insidethestack.com/>
> 
> President
> Industry Network Technology Council
> https://www.industrynetcouncil.org
> 
> 
> On Monday, June 3, 2024 at 10:32:31 AM PDT, Bob Hinden <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Nalini,
> 
> I did a read of this draft.   I have a few questions and comments.
> 
> Given the title "IPv6 Over Bluetooth for Power Affluent Devices”  I was expecting to see an IPv6 over <foo> document, but this isn’t that.   It does a good job summarizing IETF Bluetooth work in this area with many references.  I assume the key is “Power Affluent Devices”.   A different title that makes that clearer might be helpful.
> 
> The Disaster recovery section is interesting, but I not sure this is exclusive to Bluetooth.   WiFi and other link technologies can probably also be used without Internet as well.
> 
> Section 4.5.  "Shortwave radio" seems out of sync (not bluetooth) with the rest of the draft, not sure why that is included.
> 
> Overall, I am not sure what the goal is for document is.   It covers a lot of areas but I am not sure what it is accomplishing.
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2024, at 6:39 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> 
>> All,
>> 
>> We have been playing around with IPv6 over Bluetooth on Windows and Linux.   We see a number of use cases for this.  Please see draft attached.
>> 
>> - Disaster recovery
>> - Internet shutdown scenarios
>> - Chat applications
>> - IoT Gateways
>> 
>> We can also see a scenario with cascaded gateways / access systems using amateur or shortwave radio to communicate with emergency services, law enforcement and the like.
>> 
>> Please see below.  We believe that BlueTooth has many uses!
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Nalini Elkins
>> CEO and Founder
>> Inside Products, Inc.
>> https://www.insidethestack.com <http://www.insidethestack.com/>
>> 
>> President
>> Industry Network Technology Council
>> https://www.industrynetcouncil.org
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>> From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>> To: Mohit P. Tahiliani <[email protected]>; 84 108 <[email protected]>; Mohit Tahiliani <[email protected]>; Nalini Elkins <[email protected]>; Rakshith Mohan <[email protected]>; Shrinidhi Ballal Nidamboor <[email protected]>; Shrinidhi Nidamboor <[email protected]>; Tejas Sankpal <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2024 at 06:34:33 AM PDT
>> Subject: New Version Notification for draft-elkins-v6ops-ipv6blt-00.txt
>> 
>> A new version of Internet-Draft draft-elkins-v6ops-ipv6blt-00.txt has been
>> successfully submitted by Nalini Elkins and posted to the
>> IETF repository.
>> 
>> Name:    draft-elkins-v6ops-ipv6blt
>> Revision: 00
>> Title:    IPv6 Over Bluetooth for Power Affluent Devices
>> Date:    2024-05-31
>> Group:    Individual Submission
>> Pages:    10
>> URL:      https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-elkins-v6ops-ipv6blt-00.txt
>> Status:  https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-elkins-v6ops-ipv6blt/
>> HTMLized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-elkins-v6ops-ipv6blt
>> 
>> 
>> Abstract:
>> 
>>   IPv6 over Bluetooth enables devices to communicate using the IPv6
>>   protocol stack over Bluetooth wireless connections, expanding the
>>   range of networking options available to devices with Bluetooth
>>   capability.  RFC 7668 and RFC 9159 describe IPv6 over Bluetooth for
>>   Bluetooth Low Energy devices.  However, the potential of this
>>   technology has yet to be fully explored.  This document proposes
>>   using this technology for power affluent devices with optional header
>>   compression and discusses some use cases.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The IETF Secretariat
>> 
>> 
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