Re: Grant Application from Fraser Tweedale for Support the myGov Code Generator source code FOI review
Paul Wayper via linux-aus <[email protected]> Mon, 20 Jul 2026 09:26:54 +1000
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On 18/7/26 15:40, Marcus Herstik via linux-aus wrote:
> Support can come in many ways - not just financial.
> This leads to the obvious question - why don't we start litigating these
> kind of things as an organisation ?
I'm finding this position puzzling, Marcus, in relation to your comment:
> I'm sorry but that's a no from me.
> We are not here to fund litigation.
> While we may receive the benefit of the result of that litigation it was not
> started by us nor is LA a party to this.
The problem I see with any idea that Linux Australia would 'start litigating
these kinds of [legal battles]' is in choosing what, and how, and in getting
legal advice. We'd have to get community feedback on which issues LA chose to
tackle, and then maybe ask the community again when things got stymied (as
they inevitably do when fighting legal battles with large government
departments). And then the LA council would have to put their names to court
filings and proceedings. Linux Australia retains no lawyers.
It's much better, IMO, for individual members to do what Fraser has done here
(take on the fight because of a personal commitment) and then ask for Linux
Australia's assistance. Fraser has openly asked for community funding for his
legal proceedings as well, so this is not just a matter that Linux Australia
is being asked to assist alone.
I am fully in support of Linux Australia giving financial assistance to
Fraser's work to ask for the source code of software made by a government
department for deployment on Australian citizens' phones to be made publicly
available.
The government makes many things available under Creative Commons licenses
(thanks to Pia Andrews for pushing for this!).
Hope this helps,
Paul
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18/7/26 15:40, Marcus Herstik via
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This leads to the obvious question - why don't we start
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<p>I'm finding this position puzzling, Marcus, in relation to your
comment:</p>
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While we may receive the benefit of the result of that
litigation it was not started by us nor is LA a party to
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<p>The problem I see with any idea that Linux Australia would 'start
litigating these kinds of [legal battles]' is in choosing what,
and how, and in getting legal advice. We'd have to get community
feedback on which issues LA chose to tackle, and then maybe ask
the community again when things got stymied (as they inevitably do
when fighting legal battles with large government departments).
And then the LA council would have to put their names to court
filings and proceedings. Linux Australia retains no lawyers.</p>
<p>It's much better, IMO, for individual members to do what Fraser
has done here (take on the fight because of a personal commitment)
and then ask for Linux Australia's assistance. Fraser has openly
asked for community funding for his legal proceedings as well, so
this is not just a matter that Linux Australia is being asked to
assist alone.</p>
<p>I am fully in support of Linux Australia giving financial
assistance to Fraser's work to ask for the source code of software
made by a government department for deployment on Australian
citizens' phones to be made publicly available.</p>
<p>The government makes many things available under Creative Commons
licenses (thanks to Pia Andrews for pushing for this!).</p>
<p>Hope this helps,</p>
<p>Paul</p>
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