Re: Forky installer speakup does not work after installation but orca does

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As Glenn correctly points out, speakup only works in a console and ORCA
only works in the graphical user interface (GUI) and opening up a text
terminal inside the GUI.

New comers often mix up running a text terminal in Orca compared with
directly opening one of the virtual consoles.

A console refers to the system's low-level text interface, such as virtual
consoles (TTYs accessed via Ctrl+Alt+F1-F6), which provide direct,
full-screen access to the OS kernel and shell without a graphical
environment.

A terminal (or terminal emulator like GNOME Terminal which uses Orca) is a
graphical windowed application within a desktop environment (e.g., opened
via Ctrl+Alt+T) that emulates a console, passing input to a shell and
displaying output.

I'm confused if everyone understands the difference because it's easy to
confuse them but they are two different things.

If everyone already knows this,  I apologize, but years ago I thought orca
running GNOME terminal was what people were talking about when they
mentioned the "console". It isn't,  it is more basic than the Graphical
User Interface (GUI), it's running underneath the GUI, underneath Orca.
Open it up as I described in the first paragraph. The Graphical environment
GUI runs in a console, but the other consoles are available for use. Often
F1 is the GUI so I proposed opening the F3 console.  Remember you can only
run console apps and direct commands in a console but you will notice how
much faster it is than the GUI and Orca.


David Ring

On Mon, Mar 23, 2026, 02:05 K0LNY ?? <[email protected]> wrote:

> I don't think you would want speakup in a terminal.
> I am guessing that most people who want Speakup rather than Orca, call up
> a
> console and run Speakup there.
> Speakup won't really work in a GUI session, which is where the terminal is
> running from.
> Glenn
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "john doe" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2026 12:44 AM
> Subject: Re: Forky installer speakup does not work after installation but
> orca does
>
>
> On 3/22/26 20:00, Nick Gawronski wrote:
> > Hi, I just installed Forky and noticed that orca comes up as normal
> > after the installation in mate but if I try to access just the consoles
> > I have no speech from speakup what so ever. This should be fixed as
> > that could really be a mess for some users and orca is not the best in
> > terminal applications.
> >
>
> Why according to you, Orca is not working in the terminal?
>
> I use Orca in the terminal on a daily bases without problem.
>
> --
> John Doe
>
>

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<div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto">As Glenn correctly points out, speakup =
only works in a console and ORCA only works in the graphical user=C2=A0inte=
rface (GUI) and opening up a text terminal inside the GUI.=C2=A0</div><div =
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">New comers often mix up running a =
text terminal in Orca compared with directly opening one of the virtual con=
soles.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">A console refers =
to the system&#39;s low-level text interface, such as virtual consoles (TTY=
s accessed via Ctrl+Alt+F1-F6), which provide direct, full-screen access to=
 the OS kernel and shell without a graphical environment.=C2=A0</div><div d=
ir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">A terminal (or terminal emulator li=
ke GNOME Terminal which uses Orca) is a graphical windowed application with=
in a desktop environment (e.g., opened via Ctrl+Alt+T) that emulates a cons=
ole, passing input to a shell and displaying output.</div><div dir=3D"auto"=
><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I&#39;m confused if everyone understands the d=
ifference because it&#39;s easy to confuse them but they are two different =
things.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">If everyon=
e already knows this,=C2=A0 I apologize, but years ago I thought orca runni=
ng GNOME terminal was what people were talking=C2=A0about when they mention=
ed the &quot;console&quot;. It isn&#39;t,=C2=A0 it is more basic than the G=
raphical User Interface (GUI), it&#39;s running underneath the GUI, underne=
ath Orca. Open it up as I described in the first paragraph. The Graphical e=
nvironment GUI runs in a console, but the other consoles are available for =
use. Often F1 is the GUI so I proposed opening the F3 console.=C2=A0 Rememb=
er you can only run console apps and direct commands in a console but you w=
ill notice how much faster it is than the GUI and Orca.=C2=A0</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">David Rin=
g=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D=
"gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 23, 2026, 02:05 K0LNY ?? &lt;[email protected]&gt;=
 wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I don&#39;t think you would=
 want speakup in a terminal.<br>
I am guessing that most people who want Speakup rather than Orca, call up a=
 <br>
console and run Speakup there.<br>
Speakup won&#39;t really work in a GUI session, which is where the terminal=
 is <br>
running from.<br>
Glenn<br>
----- Original Message ----- <br>
From: &quot;john doe&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" rel=
=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">johndoe6=
[email protected]</a>&gt;<br>
To: &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">debian-accessib=
[email protected]</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2026 12:44 AM<br>
Subject: Re: Forky installer speakup does not work after installation but <=
br>
orca does<br>
<br>
<br>
On 3/22/26 20:00, Nick Gawronski wrote:<br>
&gt; Hi, I just installed Forky and noticed that orca comes up as normal<br=
>
&gt; after the installation in mate but if I try to access just the console=
s<br>
&gt; I have no speech from speakup what so ever. This should be fixed as<br=
>
&gt; that could really be a mess for some users and orca is not the best in=
<br>
&gt; terminal applications.<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
Why according to you, Orca is not working in the terminal?<br>
<br>
I use Orca in the terminal on a daily bases without problem.<br>
<br>
-- <br>
John Doe<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>

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