Re: Forky installer speakup does not work after installation but orca does
"K0LNY ??" <[email protected]> Mon, 23 Mar 2026 10:27:46 -0500
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01DCBAAF.B0F23A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I too did not know the difference for a long time. I really haven't implemented the power of consoles myself, as the = terminal typically serves my CLI purpose. But if I wanted to do some command-line games, the console would likely = be the best choice for this. Glenn ----- Original Message -----=20 From: D.J.J. Ring, Jr.=20 To: K0LNY ??=20 Cc: [email protected]=20 Sent: Monday, March 23, 2026 3:15 AM Subject: Re: Forky installer speakup does not work after installation = but orca does As Glenn correctly points out, speakup only works in a console and ORCA = only works in the graphical user interface (GUI) and opening up a text = terminal inside the GUI.=20 New comers often mix up running a text terminal in Orca compared with = directly opening one of the virtual consoles. A console refers to the system's low-level text interface, such as = virtual consoles (TTYs accessed via Ctrl+Alt+F1-F6), which provide = direct, full-screen access to the OS kernel and shell without a = graphical environment.=20 A terminal (or terminal emulator like GNOME Terminal which uses Orca) is = a graphical windowed application within a desktop environment (e.g., = opened via Ctrl+Alt+T) that emulates a console, passing input to a shell = and displaying output. I'm confused if everyone understands the difference because it's easy to = confuse them but they are two different things.=20 If everyone already knows this, I apologize, but years ago I thought = orca running GNOME terminal was what people were talking about when they = mentioned the "console". It isn't, it is more basic than the Graphical = User Interface (GUI), it's running underneath the GUI, underneath Orca. = Open it up as I described in the first paragraph. The Graphical = environment GUI runs in a console, but the other consoles are available = for use. Often F1 is the GUI so I proposed opening the F3 console. = Remember you can only run console apps and direct commands in a console = but you will notice how much faster it is than the GUI and Orca.=20 David Ring=20 On Mon, Mar 23, 2026, 02:05 K0LNY ?? <[email protected]> wrote: I don't think you would want speakup in a terminal. I am guessing that most people who want Speakup rather than Orca, call = up a=20 console and run Speakup there. Speakup won't really work in a GUI session, which is where the = terminal is=20 running from. Glenn ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "john doe" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2026 12:44 AM Subject: Re: Forky installer speakup does not work after installation = but=20 orca does On 3/22/26 20:00, Nick Gawronski wrote: > Hi, I just installed Forky and noticed that orca comes up as normal > after the installation in mate but if I try to access just the = consoles > I have no speech from speakup what so ever. This should be fixed as > that could really be a mess for some users and orca is not the best = in > terminal applications. > Why according to you, Orca is not working in the terminal? I use Orca in the terminal on a daily bases without problem. --=20 John Doe ------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01DCBAAF.B0F23A20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META name=3DGENERATOR content=3D"MSHTML 11.00.10570.1001"> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>I too did not know the difference for a = long=20 time.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>I really haven't implemented the power = of consoles=20 myself, as the terminal typically serves my CLI purpose.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>But if I wanted to do some command-line = games, the=20 console would likely be the best choice for this.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Glenn</FONT></DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20 <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20 [email protected] href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">D.J.J. Ring, Jr.</A> = </DIV> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A [email protected] = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">K0LNY=20 ??</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A [email protected]=20 href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">debian-accessibilit= [email protected]</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 23, 2026 3:15 AM</DIV> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: Forky installer speakup does not work after=20 installation but orca does</DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV> <DIV>As Glenn correctly points out, speakup only works in a console and = ORCA=20 only works in the graphical user interface (GUI) and opening up a = text=20 terminal inside the GUI. </DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>New comers often mix up running a text terminal in Orca compared = with=20 directly opening one of the virtual consoles.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>A console refers to the system's low-level text interface, such as = virtual=20 consoles (TTYs accessed via Ctrl+Alt+F1-F6), which provide direct, = full-screen=20 access to the OS kernel and shell without a graphical = environment. </DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>A terminal (or terminal emulator like GNOME Terminal which uses = Orca) is a=20 graphical windowed application within a desktop environment (e.g., = opened via=20 Ctrl+Alt+T) that emulates a console, passing input to a shell and = displaying=20 output.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>I'm confused if everyone understands the difference because it's = easy to=20 confuse them but they are two different things. </DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>If everyone already knows this, I apologize, but years ago I = thought=20 orca running GNOME terminal was what people were talking about when = they=20 mentioned the "console". It isn't, it is more basic than the = Graphical=20 User Interface (GUI), it's running underneath the GUI, underneath Orca. = Open it=20 up as I described in the first paragraph. The Graphical environment GUI = runs in=20 a console, but the other consoles are available for use. Often F1 is the = GUI so=20 I proposed opening the F3 console. Remember you can only run = console apps=20 and direct commands in a console but you will notice how much faster it = is than=20 the GUI and Orca. </DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>David Ring </DIV></DIV><BR> <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote> <DIV class=3Dgmail_attr dir=3Dltr>On Mon, Mar 23, 2026, 02:05 K0LNY ??=20 <[email protected]> wrote:<BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px = 0px 0.8ex">I=20 don't think you would want speakup in a terminal.<BR>I am guessing = that most=20 people who want Speakup rather than Orca, call up a <BR>console and = run=20 Speakup there.<BR>Speakup won't really work in a GUI session, which is = where=20 the terminal is <BR>running from.<BR>Glenn<BR>----- Original Message = -----=20 <BR>From: "john doe" <<A href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"=20 rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"=20 target=3D_blank>[email protected]</A>><BR>To: <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"=20 rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"=20 target=3D_blank>[email protected]</A>><BR>Sent: = Monday,=20 March 23, 2026 12:44 AM<BR>Subject: Re: Forky installer speakup does = not work=20 after installation but <BR>orca does<BR><BR><BR>On 3/22/26 20:00, Nick = Gawronski wrote:<BR>> Hi, I just installed Forky and noticed that = orca=20 comes up as normal<BR>> after the installation in mate but if I try = to=20 access just the consoles<BR>> I have no speech from speakup what so = ever.=20 This should be fixed as<BR>> that could really be a mess for some = users and=20 orca is not the best in<BR>> terminal = applications.<BR>><BR><BR>Why=20 according to you, Orca is not working in the terminal?<BR><BR>I use = Orca in=20 the terminal on a daily bases without problem.<BR><BR>-- <BR>John=20 Doe<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01DCBAAF.B0F23A20--