Re: Forky installer speakup does not work after installation but orca does

Nick, try typing 'amixer' as root and see if it gives you a message like=20
'host not accessible'.=C2=A0 If it does then you could paste the informatio=
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I had in the other message into your trouble ticket.=C2=A0 Or maybe we need=
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to open a new issue, I'm not sure.


On 3/23/26 4:55 PM, Nick Gawronski wrote:
> Hi, I submitted the logs to this debian Bug#1111121:=20
> installation-reports: Forky debian-installer the same issue exists.=20
> Nick Gawronski
>
> On 3/23/2026 1:58 PM, Chevelle wrote:
>> Speakup works fine in the console on Debian testing.=C2=A0 It is possibl=
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>> I changed something since I installed it a while back.=C2=A0 I assume yo=
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>> installed the 'espeak' package.=C2=A0 Without knowing how you installed =
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>> or what you did, it is hard to troubleshoot remotely.
>>
>>
>> On 3/23/26 1:10 PM, Nick Gawronski wrote:
>>> Hi, Yes I totally understand and this is what I meant when I said=20
>>> that speakup works much better in the console then orca does in the=20
>>> graphical terminal.=C2=A0 My issue is that on Forky, if I press control=
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>>> and alt and f1 I get no speech from the espeakup software and when=20
>>> working with the shell I prefer to use the console and not the=20
>>> graphical terminal application as like I said before orca will read=20
>>> things that speakup will not as it reads what updates and not what=20
>>> has already been read.=C2=A0 I prefer working in the text consoles and=
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>>> not the graphical terminals when I need to use the shell. Nick=20
>>> Gawronski
>>>
>>> On 3/23/2026 3:15 AM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
>>>> As Glenn correctly points out, speakup only works in a console and=20
>>>> ORCA only works in the graphical user=C2=A0interface (GUI) and opening=
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>>>> up a text terminal inside the GUI.
>>>>
>>>> New comers often mix up running a text terminal in Orca compared=20
>>>> with directly opening one of the virtual consoles.
>>>>
>>>> A console refers to the system's low-level text interface, such as=20
>>>> virtual consoles (TTYs accessed via Ctrl+Alt+F1-F6), which provide=20
>>>> direct, full-screen access to the OS kernel and shell without a=20
>>>> graphical environment.
>>>>
>>>> A terminal (or terminal emulator like GNOME Terminal which uses=20
>>>> Orca) is a graphical windowed application within a desktop=20
>>>> environment (e.g., opened via Ctrl+Alt+T) that emulates a console,=20
>>>> passing input to a shell and displaying output.
>>>>
>>>> I'm confused if everyone understands the difference because it's=20
>>>> easy to confuse them but they are two different things.
>>>>
>>>> If everyone already knows this,=C2=A0 I apologize, but years ago I=20
>>>> thought orca running GNOME terminal was what people were=20
>>>> talking=C2=A0about when they mentioned the "console". It isn't, it is=
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>>>> more basic than the Graphical User Interface (GUI), it's running=20
>>>> underneath the GUI, underneath Orca. Open it up as I described in=20
>>>> the first paragraph. The Graphical environment GUI runs in a=20
>>>> console, but the other consoles are available for use. Often F1 is=20
>>>> the GUI so I proposed opening the F3 console. Remember you can only=20
>>>> run console apps and direct commands in a console but you will=20
>>>> notice how much faster it is than the GUI and Orca.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> David Ring
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2026, 02:05 K0LNY ?? <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I don't think you would want speakup in a terminal.
>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I am guessing that most people who want Speakup rat=
her than Orca,
>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 call up a
>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 console and run Speakup there.
>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Speakup won't really work in a GUI session, which i=
s where the
>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 terminal is
>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 running from.
>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Glenn
>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ----- Original Message -----
>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 From: "john doe" <[email protected]=20
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 To: <[email protected] <mailto:=
debian-
>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 [email protected]>>
>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Sent: Monday, March 23, 2026 12:44 AM
>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Subject: Re: Forky installer speakup does not work =
after
>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 installation but
>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 orca does
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 On 3/22/26 20:00, Nick Gawronski wrote:
>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > Hi, I just installed Forky and noticed that=
 orca comes up as=20
>>>> normal
>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > after the installation in mate but if I try=
 to access just the
>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 consoles
>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > I have no speech from speakup what so ever.=
 This should be=20
>>>> fixed as
>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > that could really be a mess for some users =
and orca is not the
>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 best in
>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > terminal applications.
>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >
>>>>
>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Why according to you, Orca is not working in the te=
rminal?
>>>>
>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I use Orca in the terminal on a daily bases without=
 problem.
>>>>
>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -- =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 John Doe
>>>>
>>>
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