Re: Environmental impact of Debian's AI usage

Jonas Smedegaard <[email protected]> Mon, 17 Aug 2026 21:09:00 +0200
Newsgroups	gmane.linux.debian.devel.vote
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Quoting [email protected] (2026-08-17 20:13:16)
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> On Aug 17, 2026 17:20, Joerg Jaspert <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > On 18054 March 1977, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
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> > > Really? Is it? I do *not* see that at all.
> >
> > You must be blind.
> >
> > > There is nothing inherently dirty in the AI technolgies or datacenters
> > > in general.
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> > "There is nothing inherently evil in knifes, guns or weapons at all".
> > Etc. pp.
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> > > Just because weak oversight in USA allows *a few* bad apples cut all
> > > the
> > > corners and power their AI datacenters with gas turbines or old coal
> > > power
> > > plants does not mean that *all* AI is dirty and damaging to the
> > > environment.
> >
> > You must have your head very deep down in the sand to not see all the
> > news about the various datacenter / ai companies planning ever larger
> > "factories". With extra coal/gas power plants just for them. Larger
> > values of those for single data centers than needed to run whole
> > countries on this world (and notan under-developed country even). Lots
> > of them companies entirely ditching their "green it" plans (however they
> > named their plans to go co2-neutral, whatever one may think about those
> > plans in general).
> >
> > That is, for sure, entirely imagined by everyone, right?
> >
> > I'm sure there are ways how the whole AI thing could be run in something
> > that more people would label as "useful, acceptable" and not "world
> > burning sh*t".
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> You mean like this ?
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> https://d4project.org
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> Disclaimer: this is my employer. Never the less: 100% green energy, 100% of heat reused in homes.
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> Truth, we don't do training, only inferencing. But that doesn't change the fact that IT IS possible to run AI in a responsible way.

Yes, it is possible to solve a part of the equation.

Similar to nuclear "green" while skipping the question of nuclear waste,
it is possible to "run" AI in a responsible way while skipping the
question of creating it - and recreating it, in a competitive mad race.

 - Jonas

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