Bug#1125682: xterm sessions do not appear in loginctl output

On 2026-02-04 03:48:50 -0500, Thomas Dickey wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 04, 2026 at 04:43:25AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > No, as since the removal of utmp, this is now a required feature, as
> > said by Chris Hofstaedtler.
> 
> I forget who's Chris - some generally acknowledged authority on software
> requirements?  If so, you should mention the allusion by their role.

He's the maintainer of bsdutils.

> > > In a quick check, "xterm -ls" does run a "login" shell, but systemd
> > > doesn't know about that (something to investigate).
> > 
> > This should be independent from whether the shell is a login shell,
> > anyway ("logind" is probably misnamed as the intent is to also
> > handle the terminal sessions).
> 
> I don't see another route to getting the data into systemd's cache.
> 
> (its documentation is poor, but you may have something specific in mind)

I don't know, but apparently, systemd should not be used directly,
but via PAM (it seems that systemd would then be used transparently
via pam_systemd).