Re: Systemd

Reason for that seems to be that systemd is very adept at managing 
server resources in a cloud environment (containers, virtual machines, etc).

I don't have a issue with the init part of systemd. What i don't like is 
the number of "daemons" it has sprouted that insist on systemd being 
init for them to work. Logind is particularly offensive in this regard, 
but then i also found the whole policykit+consolekit setup annoying to 
deal with. But at least that one didn't insist on me replacing a already 
functioning init before doing their thing.

On 28. nov. 2014 01:37, laigualdad wrote:
> Well, at the same time you have companies like Spotify being supportive of systemd, because they say it allows them to manage 5,000 servers: https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/01/msg00287.html So, some sysadmins actually seem to find it useful.
>
> However, personally, I hate scope creep and I'm kind of an enthusiast when it comes to fiddling with my systems to make them 'beautiful'. Even on a laptop, systemd seems ugly. That's especially the case since for a nerd like me there is no such thing as "don't touch it" :o)
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> On November 27, 2014 3:37:00 PM EST, Sergio Tortosa Benedito <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I agree with Magnus, I think systemd it's nice for desktops and laptops
>> (specially there because either you hibernate or shutdown, and since
>> hibernating it's not in the best of the status in Linux ...), and as
>> long
>> as you don't touch much it's pretty stable, anywhere where you need to
>> be
>> able to fiddle with it  as much as possible (due to it's known, great
>> list
>> of bugs) it may not be the best of the choices.
>> I don't find systemd as bad as people see it ( for me it's a potential
>> threat , not a direct one ), what I really don't like it's how one of
>> it's
>> higher developer seem to be so carefree about bugs (and what that
>> means).
>>
>> 2014-11-27 20:25 GMT+01:00 Magnus Johnsson <[email protected]>:
>>
>>> The question is as always 'What is it that you want to do'. Are you
>>> running your system on a laptop? SystemD might be exactly what your
>> are
>>> looking for. Are you running it on a server? SystemV's simplicity
>> might
>>> make it a better choice. Right tool for the right job, etc :).
>>>
>>> 2014-11-27 20:10 GMT+01:00 Richard <[email protected]>:
>>>
>>>> uselessd would probably be an improvement since it proposes to
>> reduce
>>>> coupling of systemd,
>>>> If you have to run or work in such environment.
>>>> Seems like they will always be picking up the pieces of new
>> dependencies
>>>> on systemd, but I have not really looked into uselessd, so just
>> superficial
>>>> reading.
>>>> On Nov 27, 2014 1:42 PM, "laigualdad" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm not a dev, but I certainly see how SystemD conflicts with the
>> UNIX
>>>>> philosophy. I wonder if something like uselessd would be a viable
>>>>> compromise: http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/
>>>>>
>>>>> On November 26, 2014 10:25:21 AM EST, "Lucas C. Villa Real" <
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:16 AM, Zbigniew
>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is much talk lately about systemd. Two example voices:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - why? http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html -
>> from
>>>>>>> systemd creator
>>>>>>> - why not?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>> http://wizardofbits.tumblr.com/post/45232318557/systemd-more-like-shit-stemd
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm wondering, what is Gobo-devs opinion about systemd?
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Zbigniew
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Speaking for myself, I do not like the complexity path that Linux
>> took
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the recent years. Things have become very hard to manage and even
>> more
>>>>>> difficult to debug. That includes software like PolicyKit,
>> notification
>>>>>> daemons and systemd.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thankfully there is no strong dependency from core applications on
>>>>>> systemd
>>>>>> nowadays (that is, it is possible to have a full X11-based desktop
>> up
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> running without it). I have no personal feelings about systemd as
>> long
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> things are kept that way -- distros who like it are free to ship
>> it,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> those who don't can move on with their alternative boot process.
>>>>>> GoboLinux'
>>>>>> BootScripts are simple enough to understand and debug and,
>> frankly, I
>>>>>> hardly reboot my machines nor need to quickly boot Linux-based VMs
>> on a
>>>>>> daily basis -- therefore the subject has never been a concern for
>> me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Lucas
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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