Re: Re: Wifi adaptor recommendations
Joel Wirāmu Pauling <[email protected]> Tue, 24 May 2016 22:05:34 -0700
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--001a113e03caa12d660533a39fba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable G not N. Rather, if you have G only (or b for that matter) it causes the old long and slow Legacy on air frame format to trigger. I wrote N meant G. -Joel On May 24, 2016 10:04 PM, "Joel Wir=C4=81mu Pauling" <[email protected]= > wrote: > N DOES NOT HELP at hotels. N over 2.4ghz forces ALL stations on that > broadcast bandwidth (yes even those not participating) to downgrade to > Legacy mode ( this behaviour is stupid, but that's what we get for > backwards compatibility of mac80211 that should hace been abandonded afte= r > G for a complete redesign ). And there is always some device in hotels th= at > ensures you will almost never get anything useable out on 2.4ghz channels= . > > 5ghz (a and ac or a+n) ammeloriates this, and because of the narroweer an= d > more abundant bands and channel options. > > The chances are however likely you're get shapped to hell by their captiv= e > portal before either of these issues. That class of hotel in the states y= ou > will be lucky with 3 mbit per device, be happy with 10 or 15 for the > premium paid step option. > > As others have said it is time to replace your G device (not least becaus= e > you are a culprit of said above behaviour ;-) ... you can get 3x3 dual ba= nd > dual proc ath9k+ath10k routers that are openwrt-able for 50-70$ (i liked > the tplink ac1750 v2 As a budget buy, but i hear the v3's require using > lftp mode to flash ). > > Look on openwrt.org for suggestions. > > Bridge mode is a BS proprietary method ONLY implemented on bcm2xxx chips. > You can achieve what you want with relayd (Bridges l2 broadcast domain of > ANY two networks regardless) on ANY router running openwrt. > > -Joel > On May 24, 2016 9:13 PM, "Duncan" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Mark Knecht posted on Tue, 24 May 2016 15:11:20 -0700 as excerpted: >> >> > Anyway, I guess if it was me I'd use the one you have short term while >> > at the hotel and then look at my house system when I landed someplace >> > permanent and try to go as fast as possible then. >> >> Bridge mode. Thanks. >> >> And sticking with the old router is a reasonable suggestion. I'm just >> not sure it's actually going to be practical in the shared hotel >> environment. But with G mode now quite outdated, provided the hotel >> still offers that and I'd guess they do still offer at least G (tho mayb= e >> not A/B), it /might/ mean I'm about the only one on it and >> /could/ mean I even get better speeds than I would on the N and AC modes >> if they're clogged. >> >> I'll have to call and confirm they offer G mode... >> >> Worst case, I don't have Internet for three months and watch TV and/or >> get a lot of books read. >> >> > Good luck with the move. Moving is tough. Stay cool in this heat. >> >> Yeah. The two good points are (1) that the city is actually paying >> commercial movers for the move, which I effectively signed off on today, >> so worst-case, I don't do anything and let them do it all, but end up >> storing a bunch of stuff I'd probably get rid of if I did it myself, and >> not having the stuff I'd keep as sorted, but it does kind of lower the >> stress as one way or another it'll get done, and (2) while it's >> unpleasantly forcing me out of my familiar shell in the near term, the >> change should be healthy for me long term. >> >> As for the heat, I've not felt it much yet this year. Given that it's >> happening at the very early tip of June, I hope/expect it won't be too >> bad. I'm a bit worried about the move out of the temp housing at the en= d >> of August, however. Except if I get my butt in gear and have things >> sorted and a lot thrown out at this end on the first, then I'll have les= s >> to deal with on the other end and it'll be already sorted. >> >> -- >> Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. >> "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- >> and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman >> >> >> --001a113e03caa12d660533a39fba Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <p dir=3D"ltr">G not N. Rather, if you have G only (or b for that matter) i= t causes the old long and slow Legacy on air frame format to trigger. I wro= te N meant G.</p> <p dir=3D"ltr">-Joel</p> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On May 24, 2016 10:04 PM, "Joel Wir=C4=81mu= Pauling" <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">aenertia@aenert= ia.net</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu= ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex= "><p dir=3D"ltr">N DOES NOT HELP at hotels. N over 2.4ghz forces ALL statio= ns on that broadcast bandwidth (yes even those not participating) to downgr= ade to Legacy mode ( this behaviour is stupid, but that's what we get f= or backwards compatibility of mac80211 that should hace been abandonded aft= er G for a complete redesign ). And there is always some device in hotels t= hat ensures you will almost never get anything useable out on 2.4ghz channe= ls.</p> <p dir=3D"ltr">5ghz (a and ac or a+n) ammeloriates this, and because of the= narroweer and more abundant bands and channel options. </p> <p dir=3D"ltr">The chances are however likely you're get shapped to hel= l by their captive portal before either of these issues. That class of hote= l in the states you will be lucky with 3 mbit per device, be happy with 10 = or 15 for the premium paid step option.</p> <p dir=3D"ltr">As others have said it is time to replace your G device (not= least because you are a culprit of said above behaviour ;-) ... you can ge= t 3x3 dual band dual proc ath9k+ath10k routers that are openwrt-able for 50= -70$ (i liked the tplink ac1750 v2 As a budget buy, but i hear the v3's= require using lftp mode to flash ).</p> <p dir=3D"ltr">Look on <a href=3D"http://openwrt.org" target=3D"_blank">ope= nwrt.org</a> for suggestions.</p> <p dir=3D"ltr">Bridge mode is a BS proprietary method ONLY implemented on b= cm2xxx chips. You can achieve what you want with relayd (Bridges l2 broadca= st domain of ANY two networks regardless) on ANY router running openwrt. <b= r></p> <p dir=3D"ltr">-Joel</p> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On May 24, 2016 9:13 PM, "Duncan" <= <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">1i5t5.duncan@cox.= net</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote= " style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">M= ark Knecht posted on Tue, 24 May 2016 15:11:20 -0700 as excerpted:<br> <br> > Anyway, I guess if it was me I'd use the one you have short term w= hile<br> > at the hotel and then look at my house system when I landed someplace<= br> > permanent and try to go as fast as possible then.<br> <br> Bridge mode.=C2=A0 Thanks.<br> <br> And sticking with the old router is a reasonable suggestion.=C2=A0 I'm = just<br> not sure it's actually going to be practical in the shared hotel<br> environment.=C2=A0 But with G mode now quite outdated, provided the hotel<b= r> still offers that and I'd guess they do still offer at least G (tho may= be<br> not A/B), it /might/ mean I'm about the only one on it and<br> /could/ mean I even get better speeds than I would on the N and AC modes<br= > if they're clogged.<br> <br> I'll have to call and confirm they offer G mode...<br> <br> Worst case, I don't have Internet for three months and watch TV and/or<= br> get a lot of books read.<br> <br> > Good luck with the move. Moving is tough. Stay cool in this heat.<br> <br> Yeah.=C2=A0 The two good points are (1) that the city is actually paying<br= > commercial movers for the move, which I effectively signed off on today,<br= > so worst-case, I don't do anything and let them do it all, but end up<b= r> storing a bunch of stuff I'd probably get rid of if I did it myself, an= d<br> not having the stuff I'd keep as sorted, but it does kind of lower the<= br> stress as one way or another it'll get done, and (2) while it's<br> unpleasantly forcing me out of my familiar shell in the near term, the<br> change should be healthy for me long term.<br> <br> As for the heat, I've not felt it much yet this year.=C2=A0 Given that = it's<br> happening at the very early tip of June, I hope/expect it won't be too<= br> bad.=C2=A0 I'm a bit worried about the move out of the temp housing at = the end<br> of August, however.=C2=A0 Except if I get my butt in gear and have things<b= r> sorted and a lot thrown out at this end on the first, then I'll have le= ss<br> to deal with on the other end and it'll be already sorted.<br> <br> --<br> Duncan - List replies preferred.=C2=A0 =C2=A0No HTML msgs.<br> "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --<br> and if you use the program, he is your master."=C2=A0 Richard Stallman= <br> <br> <br> </blockquote></div> </blockquote></div> --001a113e03caa12d660533a39fba--