Re: strange problems with some gentoo sites as seen from Russia

Dale <[email protected]> writes:

> On 5/25/26 11:06 PM, Sam James wrote:
>> Dale <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>>> On 5/19/26 5:37 AM, Jaco Kroon wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> If you don't like VPNs, don't use one.  That is your decision to
>>> make.  However, my decision to use one is mine and you shouldn't tell
>>> me not use one because you don't like them.  Would you want someone
>>> who tried Gentoo but found it to be to difficult to maintain to say no
>>> one else should use Gentoo either?  Would that seem fair to you?
>>> After all, Gentoo is a bit more work to maintain and some just might
>>> think that is to much work.
>> Yes, but this thread has discussion of VPNs meaning people have trouble
>> and then bother us with it.
>
> I only posted so it would be known this was a problem that affected
> more than one person and more than one country as well.  It was an
> attempt to give additional info, not a request for help or bothering
> anyone.

I didn't say *you* were. I'm saying that Jaco's complaining about VPNs
was because of people using dodgy providers, and then they complain.

That is exactly what I was talking about at
https://public-inbox.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/[email protected]/,
which is how we got here.

>
>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> My biggest problem is websites that block users just because they use
>>> a VPN even tho that person, or IP address, has never abused anything.
>> OK, but in the context of this discussion, it's actually "people use a
>> VPN and it gets banned because someone else is using it to abuse our
>> services, and then they are sad when they are banned as a side-effect".
>>
>> Anyway, VPNs aren't anything special, they're just another ISP you
>> pay. Just many of them are even shadier.
>
> So if a person isn't using a VPN and gets banned, that is OK? People,
> or systems, not using a VPN could lead to the same problem.

Err, no?

>
>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> So, I'm using a VPN.  That's settled.  I do my part, and then some, to
>>> protect my data.  If others did the same things, maybe ID theft
>>> wouldn't be such a problem.  Maybe a whole lot of things wouldn't be
>>> such a problem.  But because most people don't, the rest of us have to
>>> deal with the solutions to their problems as we already protected
>>> ours.
>> Sure, but don't make me hear about it ;)
>
> Then ignore the thread???

I'm saying that if you're fine with the trade-offs of your VPN, fine,
just don't make me know about it. The issue here is when people do use a
VPN and it is abused by people on the same service, and then they
complain to us. That is how this discussion started..

>
>>> Back to my hole now.
>>>
>>> Dale
>>>
>>> :-)  :-)
>
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)

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