Re: strange problems with some gentoo sites as seen from Russia

Sam James <[email protected]> writes:

> Dale <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> On 5/25/26 11:06 PM, Sam James wrote:
>>> Dale <[email protected]> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 5/19/26 5:37 AM, Jaco Kroon wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>> If you don't like VPNs, don't use one.  That is your decision to
>>>> make.  However, my decision to use one is mine and you shouldn't tell
>>>> me not use one because you don't like them.  Would you want someone
>>>> who tried Gentoo but found it to be to difficult to maintain to say no
>>>> one else should use Gentoo either?  Would that seem fair to you?
>>>> After all, Gentoo is a bit more work to maintain and some just might
>>>> think that is to much work.
>>> Yes, but this thread has discussion of VPNs meaning people have trouble
>>> and then bother us with it.
>>
>> I only posted so it would be known this was a problem that affected
>> more than one person and more than one country as well.  It was an
>> attempt to give additional info, not a request for help or bothering
>> anyone.
>
> I didn't say *you* were. I'm saying that Jaco's complaining about VPNs
> was because of people using dodgy providers, and then they complain.
>
> That is exactly what I was talking about at
> https://public-inbox.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/[email protected]/,
> which is how we got here.

That is, we've had other people say exactly the same thing, which is how
I sent that message to begin with. Even if you're not complaining,
people have had trouble with VPNs.

>
>>
>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> My biggest problem is websites that block users just because they use
>>>> a VPN even tho that person, or IP address, has never abused anything.
>>> OK, but in the context of this discussion, it's actually "people use a
>>> VPN and it gets banned because someone else is using it to abuse our
>>> services, and then they are sad when they are banned as a side-effect".
>>>
>>> Anyway, VPNs aren't anything special, they're just another ISP you
>>> pay. Just many of them are even shadier.
>>
>> So if a person isn't using a VPN and gets banned, that is OK? People,
>> or systems, not using a VPN could lead to the same problem.
>
> Err, no?
>
>>
>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> So, I'm using a VPN.  That's settled.  I do my part, and then some, to
>>>> protect my data.  If others did the same things, maybe ID theft
>>>> wouldn't be such a problem.  Maybe a whole lot of things wouldn't be
>>>> such a problem.  But because most people don't, the rest of us have to
>>>> deal with the solutions to their problems as we already protected
>>>> ours.
>>> Sure, but don't make me hear about it ;)
>>
>> Then ignore the thread???
>
> I'm saying that if you're fine with the trade-offs of your VPN, fine,
> just don't make me know about it. The issue here is when people do use a
> VPN and it is abused by people on the same service, and then they
> complain to us. That is how this discussion started..
>
>>
>>>> Back to my hole now.
>>>>
>>>> Dale
>>>>
>>>> :-)  :-)
>>
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)

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