Re: Re: Pentoo-installer

On 11/01/13 01:42, Duncan wrote:

>> Anyone thought of just testing the pentoo-installer to install gentoo,
>> quick and easy? I just think there should be a basic, easy install for
>> gentoo. Pentoo offers that based on hardened (tool-chain and kernel).
>>
>> If there is a glaring problem with Pentoo, please post or drop me
>> private email. The only problem I see is that it does not offer ZFS in
>> the menu during installation.
>
> AFAIK once you start shipping binaries (as an installer with that choice
> would be doing) you end up in a legal gray area due to Sun-now-Oracle's
> refusal to GPL the ZFS code.  Some would therefore consider that lack a
> feature, not a bug.[3] =:^)

This would only be the initial install. Once you issue "emerge --sync"
does it not pull down sources?

And furthermore, it'd be fairly trivial after reboot to have a script
the noob uses, to pull down the full (updated) source packages. Sure
a quick capacity scan would be needed to ensure the disk has room.


>> Or is Pentoo, just a specific needs gentoo installation?
>
> I'd consider it the latter.  It's available as a gentoo overlay[2], at
> least, thereby pretty much fitting the definition.

The point is that soon, it will be very easy to install Pentoo. I'm sure
the folks at Pentoo, do not want the masses of Gentoo users at their 
doors, so they are probable very receptive to the ideas that after the
initial install, which by the way has folks on a secure path, to
evolve the Gentoo system into what they want it for. This would be
most easy by then pointing the new Gentoo users to wiki pages that
target a few different general use categories like:
workstation (kde)
fast workstation (XFCE)
Web server	DNS server		firewall

and just specify a few flag changes and a suggested list of packages.


> [2] At least, that's what wikipedia claims (keeping in mind
> my stated reason for responding, I've no personal knowledge of
> pentoo, so...) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentoo

I just used these:

pentoo-amd64-2013.0_RC1.9.iso

and a Beta version of SystemRescue to clean up grub.

Hell, Somebody smarter that I could easily whip together a wiki page
on this approach. Then refine it over time, before listing it
in the alternative installation methods..............?





>
> [3] One of the great things about the manual installation method
> is that it's so open-ended; the handbooks document reasonable
> defaults, but they're just that, reasonable defaults, leaving the
> user free to branch out and do their own thing wherever they feel
> the want/need, and we even document some of those branches in
> separate documentation such as the alternate install guide.  As
> such, we can avoid the political debates and choices a more
> featureful graphical installer could trigger, this being one of them.
>
> Of course unofficial based-on/specific-needs subdistros such as
> pentoo can do what they want, independent of gentoo.
>
> So let's just not go into the whole zfs thing further,
> and agree to leave it at that. =:^)
>