Re: is this list alive?

can someone post logs of the IRC chat on the mailing list (or some
online archive) on daily or weekly basis (if not already done), so
those of us who're not always available  on IRC can check the log
archive.

Thanks.

-Bedros


On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:03:31 -0500, Chris Gianelloni
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-03-22 at 21:32 +0100, Maik Schreiber wrote:
> > >>I subscribed to this list last week to watch closely the development
> > >>of gentoo installer, but so far, it's dead.
> > >
> > > Many/most of us prefer to talk in the #gentoo-installer IRC room at
> > > Freenode.
> >
> > I really think this is an incredibly bad idea because it doesn't take into
> > account the different time zones or working times of the folks watching the
> > project and possibly wanting to help out. In my opinion the mailing list
> > should be the central place to discuss things, not some direct messaging
> > systems or IRC. Even if that means discussions would be slowed down.
> 
> You're new here, aren't you?  *grin*
> 
> I would bet that most discussion for Gentoo happens on IRC and not on
> the mailing lists.  Things that are widely affecting tend to hit the
> lists, but general development discussion usually does not.
> 
> Personally, I dislike mailing lists for discussions, as they tend to
> gain a lot of heat with little resolution.  Look at any of the
> discussions on the gentoo-dev list as opposed to the logs of the
> manager's meetings.  You'll see flames galore on the mailing list, and
> the meetings tend to stay on-topic.  I prefer to do my coordination on
> IRC and not a mailing list.  A list tends to slow development, as you
> said.  In cases of Release Engineering, where we are on a schedule, this
> sort of delay is unacceptable.  Imagine if I sent an email to someone on
> the opposite side of the world just to ask a question.  This would be an
> immediate 24 hour delay.  Now imagine trying to get anything done that
> is time sensitive with such a delay.  I've worked on projects where
> email was the primary means of communication across geographically
> diverse teams and trust me, it was a waste of all of our time.  So much
> so, that we ended up using voice calls most of the time anyway.  Being
> able to quickly ask a question about, for instance, an eclass and
> getting an instant answer means that I am able to continue working
> immediately, without having to wait hours or possible even days before I
> can return to the task.
> 
> --
> Chris Gianelloni
> Release Engineering - Strategic Lead/QA Manager
> Games - Developer
> Gentoo Linux
> 
> 
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