Re: Fwd: Re: grub-customizer

2013/7/30 Jochen Schönfelder <[email protected]>

> On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 21:00:04 +0200
> Per Øyvind Karlsen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Notice that the reason behind this list was that the om-cooker list
> is
> > > > censored, where I myself are unable to post to the list because of
> this.
> > > > So given that we really don't like censorship of mailing lists and
> that
> > > we
> > > > need free communication, this list was created to ensure this.
> > > Your definition of censorship is a punch in the face of all those who
> > > experience(d) real censorship. What you critic is that the openmandriva
> > > list is
> > > moderated to rules you do not like or want to follow.
> >
> > I beg your pardon?
> >
> > What specific rules are those?
> http://wiki.openmandriva.org/en/Cooker#Communication_guidelines
>
> as you do know as i explicitly hinted you on irc.


> > How did I violate these?
> actually I did not even claim this above. I just claimed you would not like
> those and most possible do not want to follow, as you told me on irc.
>
Heh, that's an overly simplification, you accused me of twisting words..

>
> > And when was they decided on?
> omv cooker meeting. If you would be a bit less selectively reading this
> channel,
> you might even have spotted some suggestions about this. I won't crawl the
> logs
> for you, though.
>
Funny thing is that I was censored on this list before this ever was
decided on any cooker meeting.

>
> > What I've been censored for is being critical towards the association,
> > their behaviour and action, something which I'm surely not alone on.
> As above. Using censorship and moderation in the same meaning seems to be
> very
> abusive to me. Also you are unable to prove let alone convince me that this
> would be the reason of you beeing moderated.
>
> > Last time you claimed that I had been harazzing people, for which I
> really
> > have to wonder about exactly *who* I've been harazzed and in what way.
> Who do you mean with "you"? As far as I know my last statement on this was
> that
> one:
> 23:40*<arisel> proyvind: *g* I don't know what'S happened between you and
> others
>                in the past. But I totally could agree that you are
> perceived as
>                harrassing. You're just not naming nicely what bothers you..
>                always talking about stuff to be crap if you don't agree,
> and
>                claiming sabotage everywhere is maybe the way xou are
> perceived
>                by many. I don't really know the root of this, so I don't
> think
>                I'm there to
> 23:40 <arisel> judge.
>
> And "perceived as harrassing" you could see in several archives by
> yourself.
>
No, because I'm quite positive about never having harazzed anyone on this
list at all, which is why I'm asking for more details.
If they're so easy to find on the lists, you surely should be able to
provide me with some examples, no?
Otherwise I might just argue that 'You are just claiming things here'.

>
>
> Just stop trying to twist my words.

Funny thing is that I find myself experiencing just the same..

--
Regards,
Per Øyvind