Re: [OM Cooker] Are we still doing this moderation? Really?
devnet <[email protected]> Thu, 1 Aug 2013 09:27:06 -0400
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--047d7b343ec66af36f04e2e2cc55 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 6:57 AM, David Walser <[email protected]> wrote: > On 07/31/2013 11:04 PM, devnet wrote: > >> >> >> No, not exactly. You're wasting man power on focusing on things behind >> you instead of in front of you. Moderated on a list means that your >> posts still make it there unless your being an incredible douche bag >> toward people. Leave your ego at the door and all your barriers will >> drop. >> >> Keep up the douchebaggery and you make that artificial barrier become an >> actual one. >> > > Ah, but you're assuming that the people doing the moderation make this > distinction perfectly. Unfortunately, humans aren't perfect. Who cares if they don't? Keep on focusing on the distribution and move forward. Here you are worrying about what other people think of your posts and whether or not they're being fair. Who cares? Keep posting RELEVANT stuff that builds up instead of tears down. People will take notice if you focus on the distribution. If your relevant stuff is filtered, file a formal request...be tactful about it. Work the system that is in place...don't piss and moan about how you don't like the system and how it limits you. > > > It looks like to me you have NO barriers if you can just focus on one >> thing that everyone should be focusing on...the distribution. What a >> novel concept eh? Focusing on the distribution instead of pissing and >> moaning about all the injustices that were heaped upon you or >> others...or pissing and moaning about a barrier that doesn't exist as >> long as you focus on the distribution instead of pissing and moaning. >> > > Again, you're missing the point. The list moderation is part of it, as > communication is a crucial component of effectively collaborating on this > type of work. Then there's also the commit access business, where ideally > the code for one piece of software lives in one place, and everyone is able > to contribute to and benefit from it easily. That not being the case also > establishes artificial barriers that make it much harder to focus on the > distribution and just work, which is what you want. > > Dude...I somehow was a developer for a distribution of Linux for THREE YEARS without commit access. Did it slow me down? Yep. Did it matter to me? Nope. I just sent my commits to someone who had access. This barrier will fall to the wayside should you stop looking behind and start focusing on the forward. Drop the ego at the door and let it go. > > Just my 2 cents...but I'm a project manager that gets results and >> motivates people to do jobs for some of the largest companies in the >> world...what do I know? >> > > I could be totally off base, but possibly as much as some of the people > I've come into contact with at work recently, who think that yelling and > berating and insulting and bullying people is the best way to get them to > do what you want them to do. Just because they work for a large > organization doesn't make them perfect. BTW, when injustices really are > committed against people, and then you criticize them for "pissing and > moaning" about it, that's also bullying. > Never said I was perfect. I just gave a one liner about who I was because NO ONE outside of the Unity Linux folks know what I do or what I'm capable of...sorry if you thought that I was trying to brag or if you thought it was supposed to intimidate or condescend. That wasn't the goal...it was simply to inform. There you go again with your "injustices". Really guy, let it go. You're too busy looking in the rear view mirror. When you focus on issues that are past, no matter if you're right or wrong, we all lose. You trip others up, you cause stress, you make others feel guilty if you're right or you make others pissed off if you're wrong. It REALLY DOESN'T MATTER. Work on the distribution. Stop the "I was persecuted!!! It's an injustice!!" crap because all it does is distract YOU and distract OTHERS from what is really important...and that is working on the distribution. -- ________________________________________ <http://www.linkedin.com/in/dkdevine/> <https://plus.google.com/117069291335504349557/posts> <https://twitter.com/devnet> devnet http://linux-blog.org --047d7b343ec66af36f04e2e2cc55 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 6:57 AM, David Wa= lser <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target= =3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote clas= s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pad= ding-left:1ex"> <div class=3D"im">On 07/31/2013 11:04 PM, devnet wrote:<br> </div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l= eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im"><br></div><div class= =3D"im"> <br> No, not exactly. =C2=A0You're wasting man power on focusing on things b= ehind<br> you instead of in front of you. =C2=A0Moderated on a list means that your<b= r> posts still make it there unless your being an incredible douche bag<br> toward people. =C2=A0Leave your ego at the door and all your barriers will = drop.<br> <br> Keep up the douchebaggery and you make that artificial barrier become an<br= > actual one.<br> </div></blockquote> <br> Ah, but you're assuming that the people doing the moderation make this = distinction perfectly. =C2=A0Unfortunately, humans aren't perfect.</blo= ckquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Who cares if they don't? =C2= =A0Keep on focusing on the distribution and move forward. =C2=A0Here you ar= e worrying about what other people think of your posts and whether or not t= hey're being fair. =C2=A0Who cares? =C2=A0Keep posting RELEVANT stuff t= hat builds up instead of tears down. =C2=A0People will take notice if you f= ocus on the distribution. =C2=A0 If your relevant stuff is filtered, file a= formal request...be tactful about it. =C2=A0Work the system that is in pla= ce...don't piss and moan about how you don't like the system and ho= w it limits you.=C2=A0</div> <div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"= margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class= =3D"im"><br> <br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> It looks like to me you have NO barriers if you can just focus on one<br> thing that everyone should be focusing on...the distribution. =C2=A0What a<= br> novel concept eh? =C2=A0Focusing on the distribution instead of pissing and= <br> moaning about all the injustices that were heaped upon you or<br> others...or pissing and moaning about a barrier that doesn't exist as<b= r> long as you focus on the distribution instead of pissing and moaning.<br> </blockquote> <br></div> Again, you're missing the point. =C2=A0The list moderation is part of i= t, as communication is a crucial component of effectively collaborating on = this type of work. =C2=A0Then there's also the commit access business, = where ideally the code for one piece of software lives in one place, and ev= eryone is able to contribute to and benefit from it easily. =C2=A0That not = being the case also establishes artificial barriers that make it much harde= r to focus on the distribution and just work, which is what you want.<div c= lass=3D"im"> <br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Dude...I somehow = was a developer for a distribution of Linux for THREE YEARS without commit = access. =C2=A0Did it slow me down? =C2=A0Yep. =C2=A0Did it matter to me? = =C2=A0Nope. =C2=A0I just sent my commits to someone who had access. =C2=A0T= his barrier will fall to the wayside should you stop looking behind and sta= rt focusing on the forward. =C2=A0Drop the ego at the door and let it go.</= div> <div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"= margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class= =3D"im"> <br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Just my 2 cents...but I'm a project manager that gets results and<br> motivates people to do jobs for some of the largest companies in the<br> world...what do I know?<br> </blockquote> <br></div> I could be totally off base, but possibly as much as some of the people I&#= 39;ve come into contact with at work recently, who think that yelling and b= erating and insulting and bullying people is the best way to get them to do= what you want them to do. =C2=A0Just because they work for a large organiz= ation doesn't make them perfect. =C2=A0BTW, when injustices really are = committed against people, and then you criticize them for "pissing and= moaning" about it, that's also bullying.<br> </blockquote></div><br><br>Never said I was perfect. =C2=A0I just gave a on= e liner about who I was because NO ONE outside of the Unity Linux folks kno= w what I do or what I'm capable of...sorry if you thought that I was tr= ying to brag or if you thought it was supposed to intimidate or condescend.= =C2=A0That wasn't the goal...it was simply to inform.<div> <br></div><div>There you go again with your "injustices". =C2=A0R= eally guy, let it go. =C2=A0You're too busy looking in the rear view mi= rror. =C2=A0When you focus on issues that are past, no matter if you're= right or wrong, we all lose. =C2=A0You trip others up, you cause stress, y= ou make others feel guilty if you're right or you make others pissed of= f if you're wrong. =C2=A0It REALLY DOESN'T MATTER. =C2=A0Work on th= e distribution. =C2=A0Stop the "I was persecuted!!! =C2=A0It's an = injustice!!" crap because all it does is distract YOU and distract OTH= ERS from what is really important...and that is working on the distribution= .<br> <br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"><font color=3D= "#cccccc">________________________________________</font><div><font color= =3D"#cccccc"><br></font></div><div><font color=3D"#cccccc"><a href=3D"http:= //www.linkedin.com/in/dkdevine/" target=3D"_blank"><img src=3D"http://linux= -blog.org/images/icon/linkedin_16.png"></a>=C2=A0=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://p= lus.google.com/117069291335504349557/posts" target=3D"_blank"><img src=3D"h= ttp://linux-blog.org/images/icon/google_plus_16.png"></a>=C2=A0=C2=A0<a hre= f=3D"https://twitter.com/devnet" target=3D"_blank"><img src=3D"http://linux= -blog.org/images/icon/twitter_16.png"></a><br> </font></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helveti= ca,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial,= helvetica, sans-serif">devnet</font></div><div><font color=3D"#000000" fac= e=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><a href=3D"http://linux-blog.org" target= =3D"_blank">http://linux-blog.org</a></font></div> </div> </div> --047d7b343ec66af36f04e2e2cc55--