Re: [OM Cooker] Are we still doing this moderation? Really?

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2013/8/1 Robert Xu <[email protected]>

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> On Aug 1, 2013 1:33 PM, "Rapha=EBl Jadot" <[email protected]> wrote:
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> >
> >
> >
> > If by association you mean Council, it is just a group of members havin=
g
> to represent all members, manage its treasury, hardware, legal stuff
> (including naming) and preparing the overall structure.
>
> Yeah, I meant Council.
>
> >
> > There were problems only with one person that was excluded from council
> from not respecting what was voted in it, (was a problem of behaviour), a=
nd
> I hope this is past now, if by "Association" you mean council, it has
> nothing to do with the moderation as cooker is autonomous.
>
What wasn't respected?

If cooker is autonomous, how come that this decission that was made outside
of cooker influenced cooker without it's involvement?



> >
> > The association is part of groups that are intended to be autonomous.
> The development team (which is called historically cooker) is part of it,
>
How come that you without even participating in the project can decide for
the project's developers that they're the development team of the
association, where and when was this decided?

> Considering and apparently has difficulties to self-organize. It's not
> such big deal.
>
There's been quite a few complaints about the current state of the project,
it's lack of leadership and progress, I'd say that is a big deal.

> There is no "crash" nor "screw" no reason to continue a drama here.
>
The fact that there's no other contributors supporting the decission made
by the council & Jochen to moderate me seems to suggest otherwise, same
goes for my access being revoked on ABF.

If there's supposedly no crash here, then why hasn't this been reverted?

> >
> >
> > There is however to think at the next step to resolve these problems,
> and stop listening at legends and feeding them.
>
> I think we're having difficulties reaching this next step of resolving th=
e
> problems.
>
The resolution is obvious and the one voiced by most in here; stop blocking
me from participating in the project or at least provide an actual
rationale for doing so that is accepted by those contributing to the
project.

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Regards,
Per =D8yvind

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2013/8/1 Robert Xu <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]=
" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;</span><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im"><p dir=3D"ltr"><br>
On Aug 1, 2013 1:33 PM, &quot;Rapha=EBl Jadot&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:r=
[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; If by association you mean Council, it is just a group of members havi=
ng to represent all members, manage its treasury, hardware, legal stuff (in=
cluding naming) and preparing the overall structure.</p>
</div><p dir=3D"ltr">Yeah, I meant Council.</p><div class=3D"im">
<p dir=3D"ltr">&gt;<br>
&gt; There were problems only with one person that was excluded from counci=
l from not respecting what was voted in it, (was a problem of behaviour), a=
nd I hope this is past now, if by &quot;Association&quot; you mean council,=
 it has nothing to do with the moderation as cooker is autonomous.<br>
</p></div></blockquote><div>What wasn&#39;t respected?</div><div><br></div>=
<div>If cooker is autonomous, how come that this decission that was made ou=
tside of cooker influenced cooker without it&#39;s involvement?</div><div>
<br></div><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im"><p=
 dir=3D"ltr">

&gt;<br>
&gt; The association is part of groups that are intended to be autonomous. =
The development team (which is called historically cooker) is part of it,</=
p></div></blockquote><div>How come that you without even participating in t=
he project can decide for the project&#39;s developers that they&#39;re the=
 development team of the association, where and when was this decided? =A0<=
/div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im"><p dir=3D"ltr"> Considerin=
g=A0and apparently has difficulties to self-organize. It&#39;s not such big=
 deal.</p>
</div></blockquote><div>There&#39;s been quite a few complaints about the c=
urrent state of the project, it&#39;s lack of leadership and progress, I&#3=
9;d say that is a big deal.=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im"><p dir=3D"ltr"> There is no &quot;crash&quot; nor &quot;s=
crew&quot; no reason to continue a drama here.</p></div></blockquote><div>T=
he fact that there&#39;s no other contributors supporting the decission mad=
e by the council &amp; Jochen to moderate me seems to suggest otherwise, sa=
me goes for my access being revoked on ABF.</div>
<div><br></div><div>If there&#39;s supposedly no crash here, then why hasn&=
#39;t this been reverted?</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D=
"im">
<p dir=3D"ltr">

&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; There is however to think at the next step to resolve these problems, =
and stop listening at legends and feeding them.</p>
</div><p dir=3D"ltr">I think we&#39;re having difficulties reaching this ne=
xt step of resolving the problems.</p>
</blockquote></div>The resolution is obvious and the one voiced by most in =
here; stop blocking me from participating in the project or at least provid=
e an actual rationale for doing so that is accepted by those contributing t=
o the project.<div>
<br></div><div>--</div><div>Regards,</div><div>Per =D8yvind</div>

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