Re: About translations
Funda Wang <[email protected]> Thu, 25 Aug 2011 10:46:16 +0800
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--0015175dd908c6a08a04ab4b6ea3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As I said weeks ago, Mandriva the distro is not what we knew. It now only provides what the company wants, not what the community and the users want. =E5=9C=A8 2011=E5=B9=B48=E6=9C=8825=E6=97=A5=E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF= =BC=8CYou-Cheng Hsieh <[email protected]> =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A > 2011/8/25 xalba <xalba-w3XhcDFa1aEeIZ0/[email protected]>: >> I'm very disappointed too. >> I'm a long time Mandriva (Mandrake) translator and this last release cycle is >> the most bizar I have known. >> >> Sent two emails to the mailing list on june 30, no reply. Sent another email >> on July 28 (subject: Waiting) and had reply asking for more info. I sent it >> but I'm still waiting. >> >> I think Transifex is a wonderful tool but in my case is causing more troubles >> than solutions, I could had worked better this time only with svn but as they >> are not synchronised I was afraid of simply wasting my time. >> >> It is a pity, I wanted to contribute but I haven't been able to. >> >> Az, 2011eko Aburen 24a, 23:01:26-tan Z=C3=A9-(e)k idatzi zuen: >>> 2011/8/24 Sergio Rafael Lemke <[email protected]>: >>> > I totally agree with statistic in transifex, especially if the >>> > http://mdk.jack.kiev.ua/stats/gui/trunk/team/et/ is not being synced >>> > anymore. >>> > >>> > -- >>> > bedi >>> > >>> > Em Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:41:19 -0300, Marek Laane <[email protected]> escreveu: >>> >> First and most important: I'm really pissed of about translation >>> >> management >>> >> (or, rather mis/nonmanagement) in this development cycle and seriously >>> >> contemplating to make, after 10 years, Mandriva history for me. >>> >> >>> >> More specifically. Up to today I lived in blessed knowledge that >>> >> Estonian translation is totally OK as the only statistics I know of = ( >>> >> http://mdk.jack.kiev.ua/stats/gui/trunk/team/et/) showed translation at >>> >> 100%. Yes, I did know Transifex is in equation, too, but sadly there is >>> >> no statistics, even not the ML 2011 project which could be used as >>> >> reference point, and besides I had perception SVN and Transifex are >>> >> synchronized, so I >>> >> didn't think Transifex can have updated or new strings which are not >>> >> reflected in mentioned statistics page. So, if I saw today, >>> >> mandriva-kde-translation has some new strings, I did go to Transifex (it >>> >> is >>> >> recommended now, not directly committing in SVN, AFAIK). For some >>> >> peculiar reason I decided to see other files, too, and was really >>> >> shocked to see many >>> >> new/updated strings. Nothing about them in mentioned statistics page= , >>> >> and even more, nobody mentioned about them to the translators, e.g. in >>> >> cooker-i18n list. Of course, I updated all of them and can now just >>> >> hope they make it in ML 2011... But what I really cannot understand, is >>> >> why nobody at Mandriva seems to care about translations anymore... I= t >>> >> was bad for last release but now I've feeling translators and >>> >> translations are absolutely abandoned... >>> >>> Yes that seams to be the case, i have complained severall times ti the >>> guy in charge (at least i thinked it was) and didnt even got any >>> answer. >>> >>> From that point i simply abandoned mandriva portugeuse translation, im >>> not gg to particape in a project when im simply ignored. >>> >>> >> Marek Laane >>> >> Estonian translator >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Usando o revolucion=C3=A1rio cliente de e-mail do Opera: >>> > http://www.opera.com/mail/ >> > > I'll probably quit Mandriva as well, before or after 2011 released. > > There is a bug that ibus-* modules are not included in LiveDVD, which > will cause users need input methods unable to input their local > language characters, e.g. Chinese, Japanese, Korean. And Since > Mandriva now does not provide any package list in mirror directory, I > have to download each ISO to find that if these packages are included. > This bug was fixed in RC1 DVD, but Mandriva removed these packages > from DVD in RC2, without mentioning it in any announcement, blogpost, > mailing list, errata, release note. After I reopened the bug and post > in cooker list, someone finally answered that ibus-* modules caused > hangs up during build ISO. > > The problem is, current Mandriva only respond passively, or not > respond at all. They made changes but not notify users and > contributers until we have to find out that something is changed, > added, or removed, quietly. Then we have to ask why/what/when it's > been done, sometimes you get answers, sometimes you don't. > > Before Mandriva 2010.1 and earlier, for each development release, it > will be announced in cooker-i18n list. If any new strings added in > svn, or be fuzzy-ed, it will also be posted here. For every ISO that > released, there were list files that list lang & packages included in > DVD/LiveCD. > > Through contribution I want to improve a distribution that cares about > its community, but does Mandriva really care? > --0015175dd908c6a08a04ab4b6ea3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As I said weeks ago, Mandriva the distro is not what we knew. It now only p= rovides what the company wants, not what the community and the users want.<= br><br>=E5=9C=A8 2011=E5=B9=B48=E6=9C=8825=E6=97=A5=E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B= =9B=EF=BC=8CYou-Cheng Hsieh <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">yo= [email protected]</a>> =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A<br> > 2011/8/25 xalba <<a href=3D"mailto:xalba-w3XhcDFa1aEeIZ0/[email protected]">xalba@euska= lnet.net</a>>:<br>>> I'm very disappointed too.<br>>> I&= #39;m a long time Mandriva (Mandrake) translator and this last release cycl= e is<br> >> the most bizar I have known.<br>>><br>>> Sent two emai= ls to the mailing list on june 30, no reply. Sent another email<br>>>= on July 28 (subject: Waiting) and had reply asking for more info. I sent i= t<br> >> but I'm still waiting.<br>>><br>>> I think Transif= ex is a wonderful tool but in my case is causing more troubles<br>>> = than solutions, I could had worked better this time only with svn but as th= ey<br> >> are not synchronised I was afraid of simply wasting my time.<br>&g= t;><br>>> It is a pity, I wanted to contribute but I haven't b= een able to.<br>>><br>>> Az, 2011eko Aburen 24a, 23:01:26-tan Z= =C3=A9-(e)k idatzi zuen:<br> >>> 2011/8/24 Sergio Rafael Lemke <<a href=3D"mailto:sergio@man= driva.com.br">[email protected]</a>>:<br>>>> > I totall= y agree with statistic in transifex, especially if the<br>>>> >= <a href=3D"http://mdk.jack.kiev.ua/stats/gui/trunk/team/et/">http://mdk.ja= ck.kiev.ua/stats/gui/trunk/team/et/</a> is not being synced<br> >>> > anymore.<br>>>> ><br>>>> > --<br>= >>> > bedi<br>>>> ><br>>>> > Em Wed, 24= Aug 2011 13:41:19 -0300, Marek Laane <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">= [email protected]</a>> escreveu:<br> >>> >> First and most important: I'm really pissed of ab= out translation<br>>>> >> management<br>>>> >>= ; (or, rather mis/nonmanagement) in this development cycle and seriously<br= > >>> >> contemplating to make, after 10 years, Mandriva histo= ry for me.<br>>>> >><br>>>> >> More specifica= lly. Up to today I lived in blessed knowledge that<br>>>> >>= Estonian translation is totally OK as the only statistics I know of (<br> >>> >> <a href=3D"http://mdk.jack.kiev.ua/stats/gui/trunk/te= am/et/">http://mdk.jack.kiev.ua/stats/gui/trunk/team/et/</a>) showed transl= ation at<br>>>> >> 100%. Yes, I did know Transifex is in equ= ation, too, but sadly there is<br> >>> >> no statistics, even not the ML 2011 project which cou= ld be used as<br>>>> >> reference point, and besides I had p= erception SVN and Transifex are<br>>>> >> synchronized, so I= <br> >>> >> didn't think Transifex can have updated or new st= rings which are not<br>>>> >> reflected in mentioned statist= ics page. So, if I saw today,<br>>>> >> mandriva-kde-transla= tion has some new strings, I did go to Transifex (it<br> >>> >> is<br>>>> >> recommended now, not dire= ctly committing in SVN, AFAIK). For some<br>>>> >> peculiar = reason I decided to see other files, too, and was really<br>>>> &g= t;> shocked to see many<br> >>> >> new/updated strings. Nothing about them in mentioned = statistics page,<br>>>> >> and even more, nobody mentioned a= bout them to the translators, e.g. in<br>>>> >> cooker-i18n = list. Of course, I updated all of them and can now just<br> >>> >> hope they make it in ML 2011... But what I really can= not understand, is<br>>>> >> why nobody at Mandriva seems to= care about translations anymore... It<br>>>> >> was bad for= last release but now I've feeling translators and<br> >>> >> translations are absolutely abandoned...<br>>>&= gt;<br>>>> Yes that seams to be the case, i have complained severa= ll times ti the<br>>>> guy in charge (at least i thinked it was) a= nd didnt even got any<br> >>> answer.<br>>>><br>>>> From that point i simp= ly abandoned mandriva portugeuse translation, im<br>>>> not gg to = particape in a project when im simply ignored.<br>>>><br>>>&= gt; >> Marek Laane<br> >>> >> Estonian translator<br>>>> ><br>>>&= gt; > --<br>>>> > Usando o revolucion=C3=A1rio cliente de e-= mail do Opera:<br>>>> > <a href=3D"http://www.opera.com/mail/">= http://www.opera.com/mail/</a><br> >><br>><br>> I'll probably quit Mandriva as well, before or= after 2011 released.<br>><br>> There is a bug that ibus-* modules ar= e not included in LiveDVD, which<br>> will cause users need input method= s unable to input their local<br> > language characters, e.g. Chinese, Japanese, Korean. And Since<br>>= Mandriva now does not provide any package list in mirror directory, I<br>&= gt; have to download each ISO to find that if these packages are included.<= br> > This bug was fixed in RC1 DVD, but Mandriva removed these packages<br>= > from DVD in RC2, without mentioning it in any announcement, blogpost,<= br>> mailing list, errata, release note. After I reopened the bug and po= st<br> > in cooker list, someone finally answered that ibus-* modules caused<br= >> hangs up during build ISO.<br>><br>> The problem is, current Ma= ndriva only respond passively, or not<br>> respond at all. They made cha= nges but not notify users and<br> > contributers until we have to find out that something is changed,<br>&= gt; added, or removed, quietly. Then we have to ask why/what/when it's<= br>> been done, sometimes you get answers, sometimes you don't.<br> ><br>> Before Mandriva 2010.1 and earlier, for each development relea= se, it<br>> will be announced in cooker-i18n list. If any new strings ad= ded in<br>> svn, or be fuzzy-ed, it will also be posted here. For every = ISO that<br> > released, there were list files that list lang & packages included= in<br>> DVD/LiveCD.<br>><br>> Through contribution I want to impr= ove a distribution that cares about<br>> its community, but does Mandriv= a really care?<br> > --0015175dd908c6a08a04ab4b6ea3--