Re: [Security Firewall] firewall

On 7/11/05, Pablo de Carlos <[email protected]> wrote:
> Florin, you can recommend everything you want  ;-)
> 
> As you say is an old issue, not only in free software.
> Suse did available a downloadable iso again (after years without it), I
> think because they need a huge users base. They have a firewall that
> isn't free, and ... I have ever seen one ... it exists?

I can only say that I didn't agree with mandriva policy of non free
software from the very start ... and I didn't change my opinion ...
but hey, I have only worked a bit on the technical side of MNF, not on
the commercial one ...

and yes, I have tested suse firewall, it exists ... :-)

my 2cts,

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> florin wrote:
> 
> >On 7/10/05, Pablo de Carlos <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I totally agree with you Amaury, but I think that if no one does a free
> >>iso or a esasy urmpi way to install MNF2 in a Mandriva base system, (or
> >>an apt MNF for Debian), MNF will fall in a forgotten great product.
> >>
> >>It need a great user base to spread and test it, like linux, (or easy
> >>install and pirated software ... ¿windows, office? :-P ).
> >>
> >>How many people is going to test the iso downloading it from this list?
> >>50, 100?. Thinks Mandriva that MNF2 can grow in market with firewall1,
> >>cisco, symantec, ca, ipcop, coyote, sonicwall, hand made shorewall
> >>firewalls, etc, etc, etc ....? (without the key of a growing community
> >>pushing it up).
> >>
> >>Sorry, but I dont want to waste my time testing a ISO for privileged
> >>people of a mailing list. I think I'd better go to help shorewall,
> >>squid, openswan developers to do their great work.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >This is an endless discussion :-)
> >I would recommend you to support (at least) the above projects (and
> >will you really ?) but hey, who am I to recommend anything ? :-)
> >
> >my 2cts,
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >>
> >>Amaury Amblard-Ladurantie wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>I know i'm coming in late and without context to this discussion, but
> >>>>this seems a very strange sentiment to me.  When you work on free
> >>>>software, you need to /expect others to make money out of your work/.
> >>>>
> >>>>Did Linus Torvalds or Alan Cox get any compensation out of MNF1 for
> >>>>their work on the Linux kernel?  Did Tom Eastep get paid from MNF1's
> >>>>coffers for inventing Shorewall?
> >>>>
> >>>>If Mandriva has a problem with this, they need to get out of the free
> >>>>software industry.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Mandriva develops free software (MNF frontend & backend, drakx and so on).
> >>>However, as Mandriva pays people to develop free software, they need to make
> >>>money, or they won't be able to pay these developers, and no more free
> >>>software will be produced by Mandriva, and everyone loses.
> >>>
> >>>The solution Mandriva chose consists in restricting the distribution of the
> >>>Mandriva brand, hence you cannot re-distribute the MNF ISO without paying for
> >>>it. You are welcome, however, to take all the software found on the ISO, make
> >>>your own ISO and distribute them freely. It is in many aspects similar to
> >>>OpenBSD's policy, and I hardly see any conflict with the "free software
> >>>spirit".
> >>>
> >>>Besides, as Deush's last email stated, those who contributed to the MNF will
> >>>get free access to the MNF ISO if they want. Even if I would prefer the MNF
> >>>ISO to be freely available to anyone, I don't find Mandriva's politic
> >>>outrageous.
> >>>
> >>>Amaury (former MNF contributor)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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